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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

TurtleDude said:
so you think the rich have a duty to fund your existence

why do people who are dependent on the government get off claiming they are so knowledgeable? those who can take care of themselves have obviously learned a bit better than those who need a nanny state
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i take care of myself, i work for a living...how about you?
 
randel said:
the 'conservative' viewpoint seems to be as long as the taxes go down, the dow goes up, and they are getting a great return on investment, employment numbers really don't matter....i'm more of the opinion that what would be a success for us as a country, would be the creation of good paying, full time jobs, where people can afford to do more than just buy grocerys and try and stay afloat week to week. i'm all for businesses doing well, making a solid profit, providing a return on investment... i'm not in favor of rigging the game so that all the benefits go to those who are rich, have all the capital...there has to be a balance, and that seems to be something that conservatives nowadays do not want....
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When taxes go down your take home income goes up. You seem to have a problem with that concept. Why do you believe the govt. should take your money and decide where to spend it. Aren't you capable of doing that?
 
upsideguy said:
1) Given that the top 1% of the US population controls 40% of the wealth, it seems pretty equitable. But the discussion should be about tax burden rather than income tax as individual FIT is only a single form a taxation and not the only form. What is this recent obsession with income tax in distinction with all of the other taxes available. It seems to me on another thread I got a "woe is me" argument from you telling me you had a 50% tax burden because you (incorrectly) added all of these taxes and whined. Are you the only one that pays so many different forms of tax? NO. This notion that 47% of the people pay little or no FIT is irrelevant as tax is tax and government revenue is government revenue. The group of people that pay little or no income tax pay a much higher percentage of their income on FICA, sales taxes, often property tax, gas taxes, government use fees. They can use the same argument to suggest the wealthy to do not pay their fair share of such taxes as you are making to suggest they do not pay their fair share of FIT. Its time to let go of your obsession that the less fortunate pay less income tax unless you want to step up you contribution on the other taxes.

2) There is no such thing as a death tax. Substantially everyone gets to die without having to pay taxes. Those with wealth do have a tax. While I agree that the $1 million threshold on the estate tax is much too low, the concept of the estate tax is among the most equitable of all taxes. You have to raise revenue. Every dollar collected from an estate tax relieves the need to collect a dollar against income or spending from those that are living and trying to balance their personal budgets. As Americans we believe in the idea of keeping what you earn. Passing an estate from one generation to another is not rewarding earning, it rewarding being a member of the lucky womb club. This transfer of wealth works to concentrate it ( potential investment capital) with those with no proven competence to appropriately deploy it. Since you have to tax, taxing here should be the least painful of all. Granted the mechanics need work (including the definition of an estate), but the concept of an estate tax is quite sound.

The idea that we somehow need to protect the very wealthy in this country from excessive taxation (which is at its lowest levels in 50 years) is absurd. This type of political sideshow is exactly why this country is in serious do-do. There is no sense of duty to country among its citizens, just a sense of duty to self and letting the weaker suffer to pay the consequences of our collective malfeasance.
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the death tax is anathema to what this country was founded upon. You can make all the silly arguments you want and when we strip below the surface envy is what we find
 
Conservative said:
What do you call having the govt. decide what to do with your money?
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hmmm....seems like we have elected officials who make that decision, and their are republicans/conservatives in that bunch....go figure.
 
randel said:
i take care of myself, i work for a living...how about you?
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me too, and I don't go around demanding that those who make more than me get taxed heavily. Everyone should pay for what they use and not demand others carry their share of the load. Imposing costs on others is pathetic
 
“Making tax cuts permanent just for families making less than $250,000 would cost [an] estimated $2.2 trillion over 10 years. Extending tax cuts for everyone costs $3 trillion over 10 years.” — CNN​

Until Congress comes up with legitimate methods to eliminate the hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit spending we already have, I oppose extending all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
 
UtahBill said:
I served more than you, plus I served at a time when the draft was in place.
The poor have fewer options in life, but the military is a good one unless it gets you killed. Since the draft went away, the rich are barely represented in enlisted ranks...
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and how is that a problem? a draft is both anathema to free choice and inefficient in the allocation of talent.
 
Conservative said:
When taxes go down your take home income goes up. You seem to have a problem with that concept. Why do you believe the govt. should take your money and decide where to spend it. Aren't you capable of doing that?
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i don't mind taxes, unlike you, i understand that they pay for roads, schools, law enforcement, fire, trash collection, to name a few....i've no problem with chipping in, unlike you.
 
randel said:
again conservative, texas has unemployment....WHERE ARE THE JOBS YOU PROMISED?? you have been hell bent on cutting off unemployment benefits, calling everyone receiving them lazy and no good, but yet, your chosen method of creating jobs, TAX CUTS, isnt working, but yet again, these people on unemployment are all just lazy no good slobs...yet, their are no jobs for them....where are the jobs conservative? RESULTS MATTER.
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Staying uninformed is your choice. I can's see others here wanting to waste time with someone who has chosen ignorance.


"New here" ... but hardly new, grasshopper. ;)

Obama promised the jobs btw. That unemployment would not go above 8% if we let him blow $1 trillion. And that there would be a recovery summer, with 500K jobs being created every month.

Well grasshopper, only one thing happened. Obama blew a trillion bucks. Where are the jobs ? ;)
 
randel said:
i don't give a crap about texas...where are the jobs conservative?
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where are the jobs?

in texas

i don't give a darn about texas

LOL!
 
randel said:
i don't mind taxes, unlike you, i understand that they pay for roads, schools, law enforcement, fire, trash collection, to name a few....i've no problem with chipping in, unlike you.
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roads-gasoline tax-a use tax

schools and law enforcement, fire and trash-property taxes

not taxes that are used to promote class warfare. try again

and I doubt you chip in all that much
 
Chappy said:
“Making tax cuts permanent just for families making less than $250,000 would cost [an] estimated $2.2 trillion over 10 years. Extending tax cuts for everyone costs $3 trillion over 10 years.” — CNN​

Until Congress comes up with legitimate methods to eliminate the hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit spending we already have, I oppose extending all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
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what is your yearly FIT bill?
 
TurtleDude said:
roads-gasoline tax-a use tax

schools and law enforcement, fire and trash-property taxes

not taxes that are used to promote class warfare. try again

and I doubt you chip in all that much
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i have my doubts about you as well.
 
randel said:
hmmm....seems like we have elected officials who make that decision, and their are republicans/conservatives in that bunch....go figure.
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Yep, and the more you allow them to take the more control they have to spend the money differently that you would which just allows you to whine more about the need to tax others more so the govt. has more money to waste. You seem to lack basic logic, I am convinced that even you can spend your money better than a bureaucrat can spend your money and get better results.
 
Chappy said:
“Making tax cuts permanent just for families making less than $250,000 would cost [an] estimated $2.2 trillion over 10 years. Extending tax cuts for everyone costs $3 trillion over 10 years.” — CNN​

Until Congress comes up with legitimate methods to eliminate the hundreds of billions of dollars in deficit spending we already have, I oppose extending all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
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At least you are consistent.
 
randel said:
WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
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there aren't enough of em, that's for sure

this white house is perceived as anti business

and incompetent

too much uncertainty

too many with the means which some seem so intent on getting their mitts on aren't willing to play

sorry
 
Conservative said:
Yep, and the more you allow them to take the more control they have to spend the money differently that you would which just allows you to whine more about the need to tax others more so the govt. has more money to waste. You seem to lack basic logic, I am convinced that even you can spend your money better than a bureaucrat can spend your money and get better results.
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if you want to speak of logic, where is the logic in giving the rich another tax cut? it obviously hasnt done what you claimed it would do...WHERE ARE THE JOBS CONSERVATIVE, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
 
UtahBill said:
I served more than you, plus I served at a time when the draft was in place.
The poor have fewer options in life, but the military is a good one unless it gets you killed. Since the draft went away, the rich are barely represented in enlisted ranks...
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Could you put up a link to support your claims about the rich now vs. when the draft was in place ?

You say you served more. I didn't ask you how long you served, but thank you for the service. What I asked for was a link to support your earlier claim.

Now its two claims waiting to be substantiated.
 
Conservative said:
Name for me a successful liberal program that cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and then went away? Interesting that you still don't get it, there is only one ideology that doesn't care how much money you make and one ideology where it is all about what someone else makes. I don't know why I waste my time defending you and your right to keep more of what you earn. You want to give it away, do it, but stop promoting the govt. taking it and doing what they want with it.
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Show me a republican war that hasn't played a huge part in destroying our economy, killing off thousands of our young, increasing the national debt, etc. Both sides are to blame, no doubt. BTW, I suppose when you get old enough, you will turn down social security?
 
randel said:
i have my doubts about you as well.
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would you care to make a wager? money talks bs walks as they say

but you didn't deny my claim so I will take it that you are not much of a net tax payer
 
randel said:
i don't mind taxes, unlike you, i understand that they pay for roads, schools, law enforcement, fire, trash collection, to name a few....i've no problem with chipping in, unlike you.
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Apparently you don't know taxes at all, Income taxes do not pay for roads, schools, law enforcement, fire, trash collection. That is what excise taxes on gasoline and property taxes were supposed to pay. This seems to be the root of your problem.

Income taxes fund the following

Defense
International Affairs
Gen. Science, Space
Energy
Natural resources/env
Agriculture
Commerce
Transportation
Community Dev
Education/Train/Social
Health
Veterans Benefits
Justice
General Govt.
Net Interest
 
Conservative said:
When taxes go down your take home income goes up. You seem to have a problem with that concept. Why do you believe the govt. should take your money and decide where to spend it. Aren't you capable of doing that?
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Hopefully the govt will spend it on improving infrastructure, jobs, education in the USA, instead of destroying some sandpit in the middle east...
 
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