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South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

ludahai said:
Not quite... Rome was an empire in which it conquered peoples and ruled directly over them. Amazing how often I have seen the U.S. compared to Imperial Rome when there are simply too many DIFFERENCES between them for them to be comparable. America is not an empire in that way. Its wealth largely comes from its own land and people, not from colonies like Rome did. If a country dared thumb its nose at Rome, Rome would conquer it and incorporate it into its empire. Good thing for France that the U.S. doesn't follow a similar policy.

No, A.D. 1937 is the more appropriate analogy as China is looking for more living space much in the same way Nazi Germany did. Only that the Chinese are more patient than the Germans are. They are willing to wait until they have a clear advantage if they can get it. Germany didn't wait long enough.
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The natures of the two empires are different, but from an American perspective it sure seems like the Vandals sacking Rome. Our borders are violated with impunity. Foreigners kill us on our own soil and nothing happens.

The PRC may very well see this as their opportunity, but they too will discover that all power is limited. The vaunted Chinese patience has proven elusive in the last few months as the PRC makes diplomatic blunder after blunder.

Remember one thing that restrains the Chinese. They cannot afford to lose a war or appear to lose a war. If they lose or appear to do so, the power and authority of the Chinese Communitst Party will be endangered.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Actually, I was thinking of the crime committed by illegal aliens.
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Please don't tell me you're one of those people that believes we should turn the Southern American border into a all you can eat bonanza shooting range do you?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Please don't tell me you're one of those people that believes we should turn the Southern American border into a all you can eat bonanza shooting range do you?
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No.

What do you think about the proposition that America can't fight foreign wars any longer because the wars will be used for domestic political purposes by whomever is out of power?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Please don't tell me you're one of those people that believes we should turn the Southern American border into a all you can eat bonanza shooting range do you?
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I would rather turn it into an all you can eat Tex-Mex buffet with legal immigrants on work visas, but that's just me...
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
No.

What do you think about the proposition that America can't fight foreign wars any longer because the wars will be used for domestic political purposes by whomever is out of power?
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I think it depends on the nature of the war. I would hope that both parties would recognize the nature of the threat the DPRK and their Chinese backers pose as well as the importance of a treaty that both parties have historically supported to keep their backers on both sides in line...
 
ludahai said:
I think it depends on the nature of the war. I would hope that both parties would recognize the nature of the threat the DPRK and their Chinese backers pose as well as the importance of a treaty that both parties have historically supported to keep their backers on both sides in line...
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You are right. It does depend on the nature of the war. But it also depends on timing. What is possible today will not be possible tomorrow.

Americans have difficulty in seeing anyone other than fellow Americans as their enemies.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
You are right. It does depend on the nature of the war. But it also depends on timing. What is possible today will not be possible tomorrow.

Americans have difficulty in seeing anyone other than fellow Americans as their enemies.
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I am not disagreeing with that, but Americans of all political stripes need to see that other Americans are not the enemy... those who would take the freedoms that Americans and others enjoy away ARE the enemies... and the last I checked, the DPRK and Chinese Communists were not exactly the biggest proponents of pluralism out there...
 
ludahai said:
I am not disagreeing with that, but Americans of all political stripes need to see that other Americans are not the enemy... those who would take the freedoms that Americans and others enjoy away ARE the enemies... and the last I checked, the DPRK and Chinese Communists were not exactly the biggest proponents of pluralism out there...
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Where's the American empire when we need it?
 
A couple of my friends were advised by the Canadian embassy in South Korea to leave. They taught English there for 5 years and now they are packing up and abandoning their lives there. They said people there are very anxious.

I'm afraid that the worst could come true.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The people of South Korea must be defended against the Tyrannical and clearly mentally challenged leadership of North Korea, I'd be the first to sign up to go over and defend South Korea, and if possible, to topple the North Korean regime and bring freedom to the people of North Korea, who have been living in an extra-ordinary human disaster, which has lasted too long.
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Would you want to be involved in the post war occupation of North Korea though? Its fair to say that a substantial section of the population would be brainwashed enough to take arms against those occupying them, judging U.S/UK experience with Iraq and Afganistan our extradionary talent for alienating those we occupy and our reckless disregard for civillian casualities would piss off enough people to turn an even larger section against us and we would be left with Vietnam III (the second being Afganistan)

One only needs look at Afganistan, Afgans had been fighting the Taliban for over a decade when we invaded and but we acheived the incredible and alienated people so much that the insurgents (only some of whom can honestly be called Taliban) now enjoy widespread support. Wanting to bring democracy to Korea is a great idea in theory, its certainly a horrific regime, but it doesnt seam something we,re particually good at.
 
Orion said:
A couple of my friends were advised by the Canadian embassy in South Korea to leave. They taught English there for 5 years and now they are packing up and abandoning their lives there. They said people there are very anxious.

I'm afraid that the worst could come true.
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Taiwan's government hasn't taken that step yet, but is encouraging expats there to monitor the situation, especially if they are in the northern part of South Korea
 
Red_Dave said:
Would you want to be involved in the post war occupation of North Korea though? Its fair to say that a substantial section of the population would be brainwashed enough to take arms against those occupying them, judging U.S/UK experience with Iraq and Afganistan our extradionary talent for alienating those we occupy and our reckless disregard for civillian casualities would piss off enough people to turn an even larger section against us and we would be left with Vietnam III (the second being Afganistan)

One only needs look at Afganistan, Afgans had been fighting the Taliban for over a decade when we invaded and but we acheived the incredible and alienated people so much that the insurgents (only some of whom can honestly be called Taliban) now enjoy widespread support. Wanting to bring democracy to Korea is a great idea in theory, its certainly a horrific regime, but it doesnt seam something we,re particually good at.
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I doubt any such situation would last very long. 1. South Koreans should (and most likely would) be at the head of such an occupation. and 2. Koreans are not as militant as most Islamic peoples are.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
It is only within America's power to save itself if it plays it's cards right. America must avoid non-existential military conflict at all costs.
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militarily, the US has no competition. why wouldn't they push the arena into that area?


its been said the US would rely on its military more and more, as its economic influence waned. Chomsky coudn't have been more right.
 
commy said:
militarily, the US has no competition. why wouldn't they push the arena into that area?


its been said the US would rely on its military more and more, as its economic influence waned. Chomsky coudn't have been more right.
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America is a hamstrung giant incapable of effectively bringing it's power to bear on any subject because of internal divisions. We just don't care any more about anything other than our divisions.
 
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