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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Compare the military rankings, and you will find that South Korea can defend itself against NK, except on nukes. If the South Koreans want nukes that's their business. World Military Strength Ranking
    You are clearly underestimating the strength of North Korea, the initial border is highly likely to be overrun. They've been preparing for this, for over 50 years, they're ready, and the North will send over a million souls over that border, including what will be, the most intense artillery fire since World War II.

    They're gonna need help...

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You are clearly underestimating the strength of North Korea, the initial border is highly likely to be overrun. They've been preparing for this, for over 50 years, they're ready, and the North will send over a million souls over that border, including what will be, the most intense artillery fire since World War II.

    They're gonna need help...
    Assume solely for the sake of argument that what you have said is true. Why should Americans die for South Koreans?

    The time for empire is over. Give it up. Time to come home and try to save what's left of the country.

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Assume solely for the sake of argument that what you have said is true. Why should Americans die for South Koreans?

    The time for empire is over. Give it up. Time to come home and try to save what's left of the country.
    Your sense of American superiority is appalling and embarassing. You should be ashamed.

    If there is a war between NK and SK, it would be in America's best interest to help their ally. America is not yet ready to give up their throne and the repercussions would be too great if the world percieves America's alliances as nothing more than empty threats.

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

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    Your sense of American superiority is appalling and embarassing. You should be ashamed.

    If there is a war between NK and SK, it would be in America's best interest to help their ally. America is not yet ready to give up their throne and the repercussions would be too great if the world percieves America's alliances as nothing more than empty threats.
    I think America couldn't fight it's way out of a paper bag considering the mental state of the American people. You can't send Americans to fight when the American people are so bitterlly divided. It doesn't work.

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    It is only within America's power to save itself if it plays it's cards right. America must avoid non-existential military conflict at all costs.
    So, you don't think it is important for the U.S. to live up to its treaty committments? You think it is ok to cede influence in the East and Southeast Asia region to China and its proxies? Have you learned ANYTHING from history? Anything AT ALL!!! China is already putting itself in the same class as Nazi Germany; are you willing to allow it to go further unchallenged? Insanity!!!
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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, you don't think it is important for the U.S. to live up to its treaty committments? You think it is ok to cede influence in the East and Southeast Asia region to China and its proxies? Have you learned ANYTHING from history? Anything AT ALL!!! China is already putting itself in the same class as Nazi Germany; are you willing to allow it to go further unchallenged? Insanity!!!
    America is at war with itself. We now use our foreign wars for domestic political purposes. This being the case, it makes sense to avoid military conflict.

    If the nations of East Asia wish to avoid domination by the Chinese they should develop their own nuclear weapons, or buy them from Pakistan or North Korea.

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    America is at war with itself. We now use our foreign wars for domestic political purposes. This being the case, it makes sense to avoid military conflict.

    If the nations of East Asia wish to avoid domination by the Chinese they should develop their own nuclear weapons, or buy them from Pakistan or North Korea.
    With the exception of Taiwan, the other democracies of this region are party to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, something that the U.S. has insisted upon with the guarantee that U.S. friends in this region would be under the U.S. nuclear umbrella. The U.S. has treaty obligations to Korea and by international law is bound to uphold it. As has already been pointed out, the reputation of the U.S. in this part of the world is generally quite good, especially in the region's democracies and some non-democracies that are in China's shadow. No single state in this part of the world can stand up to China in the long term. The U.S. is necessary to maintain the balance. If the U.S. withdraws from this region of the world and China gains hegemony, do you think China will stop there? If you think so, you are as blind to the reality of the situation as the pro-China set...
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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    With the exception of Taiwan, the other democracies of this region are party to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, something that the U.S. has insisted upon with the guarantee that U.S. friends in this region would be under the U.S. nuclear umbrella. The U.S. has treaty obligations to Korea and by international law is bound to uphold it. As has already been pointed out, the reputation of the U.S. in this part of the world is generally quite good, especially in the region's democracies and some non-democracies that are in China's shadow. No single state in this part of the world can stand up to China in the long term. The U.S. is necessary to maintain the balance. If the U.S. withdraws from this region of the world and China gains hegemony, do you think China will stop there? If you think so, you are as blind to the reality of the situation as the pro-China set...
    Everything said in your post is true. But that doesn't change one thing.

    America cannot effectively deal with any foreign power because of our paralyzing political divisions. These divisions will have to be given time to play out. We are engaged in a form of nonviolent civil war.

    Pax Americana is over. Defend yourselves or accept Pax Sinica.

    America's hands are tied.

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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Everything said in your post is true. But that doesn't change one thing.

    America cannot effectively deal with any foreign power because of our paralyzing political divisions. These divisions will have to be given time to play out. We are engaged in a form of nonviolent civil war.

    Pax Americana is over. Defend yourselves or accept Pax Sinica.

    America's hands are tied.
    There will be no Pax Sinica... it will become a long drawn out contest that the U.S. will have to deal with or it itself will have to succomb to the Chinese Dragon. Sadly, Americans are doing more to feed that dragon than anyone else...
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    Re: South Korean spy chief warns of more attacks by North

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There will be no Pax Sinica... it will become a long drawn out contest that the U.S. will have to deal with or it itself will have to succomb to the Chinese Dragon. Sadly, Americans are doing more to feed that dragon than anyone else...
    China will leave America alone within it's borders because the Chinese avoid chaos. Nothing is worse than chaos. America can't be conquered and it can't be governed.

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