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Republicans block child nutrition bill

BDBoop said:
National Review editor: Parents of kids in school breakfast programs are criminals | Raw Story
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My question is what poor excuse for a parent can’t rustle up a bowl of cereal and a banana?" O'Beirne asked. "I just don’t get why millions of school children qualify for school breakfasts unless we have a major wide spread problem with child neglect."

She continued, "If that’s how many parents are incapable of pulling together a bowl of cereal and a banana, then we have problems that are way bigger than -- that problem can’t be solved with a school breakfast, because we have parents who are just criminally ... criminally negligent with respect to raising children."
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considering that these parents are already receiving food stamps, why indeed?
 
OscarB63 said:
considering that these parents are already receiving food stamps, why indeed?
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Not all families who qualify for free lunch or free breakfast receive or even qualify for food stamps. It depends on the area and the rules of school district and those rules of the Dept. of Health and Human Services.

There probably are some parents who are just too lazy to make breakfast for their children, but there are probably also some who are either single parents or have both parents working, and they go to work before their children get up or they have to be at work before their children have to be at school. There could also be some who are getting off work about the time that their children have to be at school.

Not to mention, if a parent has children that do qualify for free lunch and free breakfast at school, why not take advantage of it. It could mean one or two less things that a struggling parent or pair of parents has to do, along with their own work/household duties, and one or two less meals each day that they have to pay for. If they aren't getting food stamps, then they could ensure that they have enough food for all the other meals, and possibly save the extra money to help themselves get better off financially. If they are on foodstamps, then they will also be able to ensure that they have enough food for the entire month with their food stamps and not have to buy things with money that is going to other bills/expenses.

I don't think that everyone abuses either foodstamps or free school meals. Now, it would be good for schools to get healthier food choices for school. And I even agree with limiting food choices available to be bought with foodstamps. I just don't think that elliminating free lunches/breakfasts at school is a good thing just because some parents may be either abusing the system or lazy or both.
 
Your Star said:
Living breathing humans, are NOT the same as a fetus.
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Ever see a video of a fetus getting a fork stuck in it's grape? It tries to dodge the fork. Why? Because it wants to live. Which means? It's a living thing, that possesses the instinct to survive. Which is more than I can for a buncha full grown folks out there collecting welfare.
 
roguenuke said:
Not all families who qualify for free lunch or free breakfast receive or even qualify for food stamps. It depends on the area and the rules of school district and those rules of the Dept. of Health and Human Services.

There probably are some parents who are just too lazy to make breakfast for their children, but there are probably also some who are either single parents or have both parents working, and they go to work before their children get up or they have to be at work before their children have to be at school. There could also be some who are getting off work about the time that their children have to be at school.

Not to mention, if a parent has children that do qualify for free lunch and free breakfast at school, why not take advantage of it. It could mean one or two less things that a struggling parent or pair of parents has to do, along with their own work/household duties, and one or two less meals each day that they have to pay for. If they aren't getting food stamps, then they could ensure that they have enough food for all the other meals, and possibly save the extra money to help themselves get better off financially. If they are on foodstamps, then they will also be able to ensure that they have enough food for the entire month with their food stamps and not have to buy things with money that is going to other bills/expenses.

I don't think that everyone abuses either foodstamps or free school meals. Now, it would be good for schools to get healthier food choices for school. And I even agree with limiting food choices available to be bought with foodstamps. I just don't think that elliminating free lunches/breakfasts at school is a good thing just because some parents may be either abusing the system or lazy or both.
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I think my son and his family qualifes for free school meals. He teaches 8th grade science, got stiffed by the school board on raises the last 2 years, DJ's and coaches sports for extra money, his wife works part time, and one of his 3 kids has an inoperable brain tumor that has a substantial impact on their budget.
They don't use the program, but I am pretty sure they qualify...
 
UtahBill said:
I think my son and his family qualifes for free school meals. He teaches 8th grade science, got stiffed by the school board on raises the last 2 years, DJ's and coaches sports for extra money, his wife works part time, and one of his 3 kids has an inoperable brain tumor that has a substantial impact on their budget.
They don't use the program, but I am pretty sure they qualify...
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so will my son and his family probably. they both work full time, too, and don't get food stamps. but some people insist on labeling as a matter of course.

and i'm so sorry about your grandson.
 
liblady said:
so will my son and his family probably. they both work full time, too, and don't get food stamps. but some people insist on labeling as a matter of course.

and i'm so sorry about your grandson.
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thanks, actually a granddaughter, been on and off chemo, mostly on for almost 4 years, since just before she turned 7, and running out of chemo options. Radiation will probably be next if the next MRI shows new growth...
 
UtahBill said:
thanks, actually a granddaughter, been on and off chemo, mostly on for almost 4 years, since just before she turned 7, and running out of chemo options. Radiation will probably be next if the next MRI shows new growth...
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that must be very difficult. my grandson is 3 and i can't imagine. blessings.
 
UtahBill said:
I think my son and his family qualifes for free school meals. He teaches 8th grade science, got stiffed by the school board on raises the last 2 years, DJ's and coaches sports for extra money, his wife works part time, and one of his 3 kids has an inoperable brain tumor that has a substantial impact on their budget.
They don't use the program, but I am pretty sure they qualify...
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My family always qualified for free or reduced lunch while I was in school, but we never got food stamps (I know that there was at least one time that my parents applied and were turned down). Both of my parents have either worked or been going to school or both most of my childhood (each had periods of <6 months when they had been laid off).

I know that there are people out there who are stuggling, who just can't find the time or money or either to provide breakfast and/or lunch during the week for their children. And it is obvious that schools have figured out that not all parents can provide homemade lunches for their kids, since schools offer school lunch in the first place. The same thing is true for breakfast.

Actually, it is kind of interesting that some people would consider receiving the free breakfast or even lunch a problem with the parent being "lazy", yet the kid's parents who buy the same breakfast or lunch from the school is never mentioned as neglectful. I bet there are far more students who are either buying their breakfast/lunch from the school or who are not eating at all, than there are students who are being provided breakfast and lunch at/from home.
 
liblady said:
that must be very difficult. my grandson is 3 and i can't imagine. blessings.
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The first 6 months were hell, we didn't know what would kill her first, the tumor, or the treatment. But the doctors at Phoenix Children's Hospital found a better chemo regime and she actually kept most of her hair while keeping the tumor from growing any more. Later on, they stopped chemo to see what would happen, and she grew a new tumor but that one could be taken out. Huge scar and lots of staples across her head. A few months in rehab after that and she is almost back to what is normal for her.
Times like those, family and friends are so appreciated for the support they give.
 
roguenuke said:
My family always qualified for free or reduced lunch while I was in school, but we never got food stamps (I know that there was at least one time that my parents applied and were turned down). Both of my parents have either worked or been going to school or both most of my childhood (each had periods of <6 months when they had been laid off).

I know that there are people out there who are stuggling, who just can't find the time or money or either to provide breakfast and/or lunch during the week for their children. And it is obvious that schools have figured out that not all parents can provide homemade lunches for their kids, since schools offer school lunch in the first place. The same thing is true for breakfast.

Actually, it is kind of interesting that some people would consider receiving the free breakfast or even lunch a problem with the parent being "lazy", yet the kid's parents who buy the same breakfast or lunch from the school is never mentioned as neglectful. I bet there are far more students who are either buying their breakfast/lunch from the school or who are not eating at all, than there are students who are being provided breakfast and lunch at/from home.
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Well, could it be that the reason you are able to make this observation is because you are only slightly conservative...:2razz:
 
UtahBill said:
Well, could it be that you are able to make this observation is because you are only slightly conservative...:2razz:
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Possibly. I believe that some conservatives do not consider the reality of those who need help, and only look at either worst cases or the pure economics. Numbers can only show so much. And those numbers cannot take into account greed or misfortune or even poor decisions. I want to hold people accountable for their actions, but not to the point where they or their children will starve. Especially if they are actually trying to get back on their feet. And I certainly understand that not everyone can be in the middle or upper income classes. There has to be a bottom.

I guess I'm in the middle economically speaking. I don't think it is practical to do away with all government assistance, not in the world we live in today. But I also don't want to have people receiving assistance who are not willing to try to better themselves. The programs definitely need to be reformed, just not so drastically that they would cause people who are trying to get screwed when they need the help.
 
roguenuke said:
Possibly. I believe that some conservatives do not consider the reality of those who need help, and only look at either worst cases or the pure economics. Numbers can only show so much. And those numbers cannot take into account greed or misfortune or even poor decisions. I want to hold people accountable for their actions, but not to the point where they or their children will starve. Especially if they are actually trying to get back on their feet. And I certainly understand that not everyone can be in the middle or upper income classes. There has to be a bottom.

I guess I'm in the middle economically speaking. I don't think it is practical to do away with all government assistance, not in the world we live in today. But I also don't want to have people receiving assistance who are not willing to try to better themselves. The programs definitely need to be reformed, just not so drastically that they would cause people who are trying to get screwed when they need the help.
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I think regular conservatives are more like you.
It's these damn irregular conservatives that are the problem. So many of them need a dose of salts...:shock:
 
I'll let my signature speak for me on this thread.
 
roguenuke said:
I want to hold people accountable for their actions, but not to the point where they or their children will starve. Especially if they are actually trying to get back on their feet.
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same here. only, I am not too concerned if someone starves due to poor choices he/she made. I guess I am jaded from my experiences of being a foster parent. In almost every single case, the kids were in state custody because the parents were either lazy or criminal. In the 7 years we did fostercare I saw exactly ONE case in which a child was taken from a home because the parent was truely UNABLE to care for him. (dad was in prison and mom had an IQ of 63, couldn't even take care of herself)

I guess I'm in the middle economically speaking. I don't think it is practical to do away with all government assistance, not in the world we live in today. But I also don't want to have people receiving assistance who are not willing to try to better themselves. The programs definitely need to be reformed, just not so drastically that they would cause people who are trying to get screwed when they need the help.
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same here. I have absolutely no problem with helping someone who is down on their luck, through no fault of their own, get back on their feet. But I have seen too many families where living off the govt is a way of life passed down from generation to generation.
 
OscarB63 said:
same here. only, I am not too concerned if someone starves due to poor choices he/she made. I guess I am jaded from my experiences of being a foster parent. In almost every single case, the kids were in state custody because the parents were either lazy or criminal. In the 7 years we did fostercare I saw exactly ONE case in which a child was taken from a home because the parent was truely UNABLE to care for him. (dad was in prison and mom had an IQ of 63, couldn't even take care of herself)



same here. I have absolutely no problem with helping someone who is down on their luck, through no fault of their own, get back on their feet. But I have seen too many families where living off the govt is a way of life passed down from generation to generation.
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yes, this is the cycle which must be broken
that is THE problem
this matter of inadequate nourishment is but a symptom of that larger problem

we have to have a license to drive
we need a license to fish for heaven's sake
there is no reason we should not also impose a license to have children
and the requirement would be simple; prove that you are capable of raising and supporting a child
too many could not pass that simple test today ... yet they are still giving birth (or donating seman)
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, I never saw that, but no, it isn't better, and yours are not being punished when we help them. It's just silly to say they are. And we, people, have always handled hard time better when they come together than when they divide. You have alot wrong my friend. Sadly.
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I don't know what the answer is to so many unwed mothers having several kids with different fathers for example. However, it seems they receive so many entitlements that they have no reason to change or even worry about birth control. I don't want to punish the kids, but doesn't it seem we are doing something wrong?
 
justabubba said:
no one is saying that is not a problem
what is your answer for it?
let's solve that problem

in the meantime, let's also solve the very real problem that their are hungry children in school who are not getting proper nourishment. why are you so opposed to feeding hungry students born into poverty?
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Please tell me where these hungry children are so they can be taken care of.
Maybe the parents aren't receiving the correct amount of food stamps. I don't know why any kid would be going hungry, so we really should figure out the reason.
 
justabubba said:
really? isn't this a child nutrition bill being discussed?

please explain for those of us unfamiliar with this, exactly how it works


no, when the matter of childrens' welfare is brought up, those on your side dodge that topic and try to make it something else again
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Dec.3 2010

passed the house and senate.

This is the final version
It's not about feeding hungry kids. It's about growing government and entitlements.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3307‘(A)
 
MissLToe said:
To those for this program....

Do you honestly think people that love eating cheeseburgers and fries are going to magically stop eating that and start eating healthy? Do you really think they're going to feed their kids any differently? People KNOW what is healthy and what isn't. It's common sense. They CHOOSE to eat what they want.

You're not going to change the minds of people who LIKE eating unhealthy unless you somehow FORCE them to eat healthy which, of course, is completely anti-freedom. Surely that's not what you're implying....?
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YouTube - Kagan Declines To Say Gov't Has No Power to Tell Americans What To Eat

{{sigh}}
 
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