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Republicans block child nutrition bill

Actually, that's not true. There's a good number of bills being considered that have been blocked by republicans for awhile now. This is just one of them. Congress has been a stand still for sometime, not eve being able to agree on the simplist of legislation. It has been quite annoying.

I didnt say ANYTHING about what congress has been considering...I stated the absolute fact that until Yahoo posted a biased article, none of you were clamoring to provide dinner and summer meals...for the sake of the children. You kneejerk responded...just like you were supposed to. You dont do it on your own...but you sure fall all over yourself whenever the federal government can grow bigger...for...'the children'...
 
I didnt say ANYTHING about what congress has been considering...I stated the absolute fact that until Yahoo posted a biased article, none of you were clamoring to provide dinner and summer meals...for the sake of the children. You kneejerk responded...just like you were supposed to. You dont do it on your own...but you sure fall all over yourself whenever the federal government can grow bigger...for...'the children'...




Breakfast, lunch and dinner. :prof
 
Not exaclty her point. Unemployment insurance helps more than being unemployed with no income.


Not what she said.

j-mac

Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

Talking to reporters, the House speaker was defending a jobless benefits extension against those who say it gives recipients little incentive to work. By her reasoning, those checks are helping give somebody a job.

"It injects demand into the economy," Pelosi said, arguing that when families have money to spend it keeps the economy churning. "It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name."

Pelosi said the aid has the "double benefit" of helping those who lost their jobs and acting as a "job creator" on the side.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/01/pelosi-unemployment-checks-best-way-create-jobs/


Now that is Funny....:LMAO:
 
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Some odd things in the bill..


40 million for school gardens?


mandatory funding for recognizing "exemplary breast feeding" practices?

All KINDS of BS in there. and BTW...it isnt enough to do what they claim it will do, which means once they establish the precedent of feeding the 'the children' dinner in addition to the school lunch and summer meals, then they will allocate another several billion. There are state and federal grants with no guidance on purpose, scope, results. Its typical leftist garbage.
 
I didnt say ANYTHING about what congress has been considering...I stated the absolute fact that until Yahoo posted a biased article, none of you were clamoring to provide dinner and summer meals...for the sake of the children. You kneejerk responded...just like you were supposed to. You dont do it on your own...but you sure fall all over yourself whenever the federal government can grow bigger...for...'the children'...

Don't mistake a lack of a thread for lack of knowledge or concern. As I said, because many bills have been held up, some most would consider easy to reach agreement on by reasonable people, there is more here to be upset about with both parties.

And if you notice, I start very few threads. I merely listen and talk when I hear something I deem worth my responding to. You leap to far too many inaccurate conlusions.
 
Breakfast, lunch and dinner. :prof

Right...the breakfast and lunch are already being provided...for...the children...so...the whole bull**** kids starving at school argument sort of flies out the window.

Damn I wish the people that supported these programs were actually PAYING for them. Right now. Without a government creating MORE deficit spending.
 
Don't mistake a lack of a thread for lack of knowledge or concern. As I said, because many bills have been held up, some most would consider easy to reach agreement on by reasonable people, there is more here to be upset about with both parties.

And if you notice, I start very few threads. I merely listen and talk when I hear something I deem worth my responding to. You leap to far too many inaccurate conlusions.

Riiiight...you and the rest have been just falling over yourself over your concern for 'the children' and your desire to provide them dinner at school and all three meals during the summer. ANd...of course...thats why you and the other activists have been so anxiously engaged in doing it. Because you believe in it.
 
Other than the bleating on about 'the children
am i mistaken? isn't this thread about a prospective bill to feed hungry children? if you want to discuss something else, then open another thread on your chosen topic. let me know of it and i will gladly join you to discuss the other issue rather than have it intrude on this thread

(and seriosly...why dont you just take the children and house them in state homes and get them out of those horrible existences)
then your solution is to take the children who are hungry away from their parents and place them instead in a government funded and operated facility
never knew you were a socialist who advocated the adoption of the old USSR model
but tell us more (preferably in its own thread) about how you would determine which kids could stay with their parents and which should go into the government operated "homes"
would they be able to return to their parents if their parents met some bar of acceptable parenting ability?
what would that be? who would decide which were adequate and which were inadequate parents? how often would that be reviewed
must say it amazes me that so many conservatives want to adopt socialist practices, some even criticized by us not that long ago when they were practiced by the communist soviets
what seems odd too, is that so many folks who are opposed to abortion are also so keenly opposed to providing government assistance to unwanted/unplanned kids
what an unfortunate disconnect

have you actually read the legislation?
no
Do you know what it calls for?
hopefully, the feeding of hungry students. what are you telling us it will do instead?
Do you support creating 17 new governmental agencies...undefined grant prgrams...etc?
sounds like the bush regime after 9/11, so tell me more, because his responses to national problems tended to be very stupid. tell us what about this bill makes no sense and tell us how it could be improved. or would you rather us have classrooms filled with hungry, malnourished students ... only to wonder why their academic performance is sub-par

Do you advocate that the money already being paid to providers of foster kids for their sunstinence and to poor families still be paid to them while disregarding the fact that now you are advocating paying for breakfast lunch and dinner for 20+ million children year round (even during the summer?).
absolutely not. the money provided for student meals should go for student meals. please point to where the taxpayer would be paying for the same meal twice

So...no consequences...no reduction dollars to foster care providers that no longer have to sustain the children.
if the money given over to foster parents is no longer going to be required to be used to provide the kids' meals then that money should be withdrawn and placed into whatever program results which will actually be responsible for feeding the hungry kids
if that is what is wrong with the bill, then that is what the republicans should insist be changed
however, it appears they only want to deny food to hungry kids unfortunate to have been born into poverty
And if this is so all fired important to liberals what the **** is wrong with you??? Why arent you doing this already...on your own?
actually, i do. and many of my friends do. but clearly, that is not enough. we need more people to step forward, or we need to end the problem. i do not see more people stepping forward, otherwise this bill would not be on the agenda because there would have been no problem to address
Why havent you created private funds to take care of all poor children?
again, i do provide food to a large number of children and political/religious refugees. the demand far exceeds my ability
Why must you INSIST that the nany state government do it all?
the purpose of government is to provide for the common welfare of its citizens. clearly, that welfare needs more than what is now available
Where is your conviction? Where is your integrity?
don't know what you are speaking of
i operate a soup kitchen, feeding over 400 per week
i provide supplemental food for approximately two dozen refugees who are without means and who have not assimilated into our society to become self sufficient
i provide my time to do this at no cost, as i am retired, and i incur the expenses individually, in addition to what i have been able to solicit as support for those efforts
where is my conviction or integrity lacking?
 
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Don't mistake a lack of a thread for lack of knowledge or concern. As I said, because many bills have been held up, some most would consider easy to reach agreement on by reasonable people, there is more here to be upset about with both parties.


:lamo sure...... :roll:
 
am i mistaken? isn't this thread about a prospective bill to feed hungry children?

Well now...stop right there. IS that what this thread is about? Or is it about kneejerk ideologues and a government bent on expanding social services?

Those poor hungry children are ALREADY being fed breakfast and lunch...arent they? I mean...you DID read the proposed legislation, didnt you?
 
Riiiight...you and the rest have been just falling over yourself over your concern for 'the children' and your desire to provide them dinner at school and all three meals during the summer. ANd...of course...thats why you and the other activists have been so anxiously engaged in doing it. Because you believe in it.

Silliness aside, yes, it is a fair issue and there is likley some concern. What do you think is required to speak on these issues?
 
Well now...stop right there. IS that what this thread is about? Or is it about kneejerk ideologues and a government bent on expanding social services?

Those poor hungry children are ALREADY being fed breakfast and lunch...arent they? I mean...you DID read the proposed legislation, didnt you?

The Bill is about feeding chilfren. Yes.
 
i operate a soup kitchen, feeding over 400 per week
i provide supplemental food for approximately two dozen refugees who are without means and who have not assimilated into our society to become self sufficient
i provide my time to do this at no cost, as i am retired, and i incur the expenses individually, in addition to what i have been able to solicit as support for those efforts
where is my conviction or integrity lacking?

Taking you at your word...apparently you are fighting a lonely mission on your own...because if all the libs that claim to offer service and care so much offered the same kind of support 'you' do then we sure wouldnt be having this discussion, or need the government.

We could compare pro-bono and volunteer work sometime...it would probably blow your mind...
 
Really? That is your observation? Wow. So let me see if I have this straight in layman's terms.....You think that welfare, and handouts help these communities more so than having a job and a sense of real worth eh?

j-mac
sorry, but the problem you are experiencing is one of reading comprehension

self reliance is always better than being dependent. no one has foolishly said otherwise

the point i was making is the insistence by those on the right wing who say that the democrats offer assistance to the working class only because they want their votes
i commented if that was true, and effective, then we should see the republicans employing such an effective strategy
but since the republicans do not use what was supposed to be an effective practice to get elected, it can be assumed it is not a very realistic or effective practice. it should then be viewed as merely an excuse to spin the circumstance away from the reality that the democrats tend to provide programs to help the working class only because those problems need to be addressed, rather than to gain their votes
 
Silliness aside, yes, it is a fair issue and there is likley some concern. What do you think is required to speak on these issues?

Ending a federal government nanny state that has dug the country into an unsustainable debt and created millions of dependent voters. Good place to start., Effect state and local service programs...where private donations arent swallowed by beauracracy. Teaching resilience, self sufficiency instead of victimhood. Expecting individual responsibility. Promoting concerned and caring citizen involvement with providing services...a really great place to start. Coordinating willing contributors with shelters, food banks, employment assistance agencies.

All things my office and staff does daily. Things I do on my own daily.
 
Ending a federal government nanny state that has dug the country into an unsustainable debt and created millions of dependent voters. Good place to start., Effect state and local service programs...where private donations arent swallowed by beauracracy. Teaching resilience, self sufficiency instead of victimhood. Expecting individual responsibility. Promoting concerned and caring citizen involvement with providing services...a really great place to start. Coordinating willing contributors with shelters, food banks, employment assistance agencies.

All things my office and staff does daily. Things I do on my own daily.

You keep speaking in partisan nonsense language. "nanny state" and such mean very little. If you really stepped out, you might find people do the things you mention regularly, including people you have painted as lazy. You might also find that feeding children doesn't go against these values. By living in a bubble, seeing only a small portiion of the world, one too easily misses the larger picture. I belive that is what is happening in your world view.
 
You keep speaking in partisan nonsense language. "nanny state" and such mean very little. If you really stepped out, you might find people do the things you mention regularly, including people you have painted as lazy. You might also find that feeding children doesn't go against these values. By living in a bubble, seeing only a small portiion of the world, one too easily misses the larger picture. I belive that is what is happening in your world view.

waaaaiiiittt a second...did YOU just use the word 'partisan'? :lamo

Oh...and this is me LMAO at you for your interpretation of my world view...good lord...you havent clue one...my life...my experiences...my global experience, nor my current work and service. That you insinuate you do is beyond comical. That you imagine yourself...supporting policies that CREATE people that I and others work hard to UN**** every day...as being HELPFUL is tragic. But thanks for playing...
 
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waaaaiiiittt a second...did YOU just use the word 'partisan'? :lamo

Oh...and this is me LMAO at you for your interpretation of my world view...good lord...you havent clue one...my life...my experiences...my global experience, nor my current work and service. That you insinuate you do is beyond comical. That you imagine yourself...supporting policies that CREATE people that I and others work hard to UN**** every day...as being HELPFUL is tragic. But thanks for playing...

sorry, but he nailed it
at least that is the perception drawn from your posts
but let's take this back to the fact that the republicans want to prevent the feeding of hungry students and see why they hold that position dear
 
I've answered it before. you just don't like the answer or you missed/ignored it.

better to "punish" their children now, than to punish their, mine, your, and our grandchildren tomorrow. that's why.

mamby pamby, bleeding heart, hand wringing is not going to solve the problem. hard problems sometimes require hard solutions. and if it requires that some people suffer now so that all people don't suffer later, so be it.

Oh - so ending some teens to college now has a negative effect on society? Prove it.

Show me the horrible effects that decently-educated adults have on society, the economy and the world as a whole. Surely if you're arguing FOR it there's soem truth TO it.
Are we so much more WORSE off because college is becoming more obtainable by the meanas of aid?

Myself - how will I suffer?
My kids - how will they suffer? (well - if you had your way they might suffer by being DENIED a well rounded education)

What you don't want to admit is that YOU simply don't care for or value other people's children and the future of the entire country. Because that's what these kids will grow up to be. That's actually an common mindset that many people have so you're not alone.
But how much is it HURTING YOU for, what, $.05 a month of your earnings to pay for everyone else's education?

You know what I AM against spending our tax-money on?
A pointless, meaningless, winnless war.
Social Security and health coverage for people who have self-inflicted disabilities.
Executing the wrongfully accused and the mentally ill.
The corrupt nature of government Agencies and how they function.
Congressmen and women who don't have our true needs at heart when they vote.
Welfare abuse and waste.

I can go on.

The issue is that we're in a country which is based on US helping EVERYONE ELSE and also helping OURSELVES. There isn't a single thing in this country that does depend - in whole or in part - by what other people do in their daily lives to some degree.

Education, to me, is SO IMPORTANT it's worth my .02
If anything you should be pissed like so many others that college is such a necessity but so damned expensive - and that every year tuition goes up and up and up with no real legitimate reason. . . or that it costs more for an out-of-state students to attend than an in-state-student to attend - for no real, legitimate reason.

You need to get in tune with reality and where our money really goes - it seems you're actually completely unaware of how the cookie even tastes, let alone crumbles.
 
sorry, but he nailed it
at least that is the perception drawn from your posts
but let's take this back to the fact that the republicans want to prevent the feeding of hungry students and see why they hold that position dear

OF COURSE you two perceive it that way...because YOU LOVE big government and social spending and think that actually HELPS. Let me ask you Mr Soup Kitchen Runner...have you observed the all too familiar phenomenon of MORE AND MORE dependent people out there? I have. Go to ANY BHU in the country. You LITERALLY believe that creating more and more social programs actually HELPS people? Thats comical...
 
waaaaiiiittt a second...did YOU just use the word 'partisan'? :lamo

Oh...and this is me LMAO at you for your interpretation of my world view...good lord...you havent clue one...my life...my experiences...my global experience, nor my current work and service. That you insinuate you do is beyond comical. That you imagine yourself...supporting policies that CREATE people that I and others work hard to UN**** every day...as being HELPFUL is tragic. But thanks for playing...

yes, I did. And you know, I never call republicans names. I almost never speak of them as a group being evil. I don't even use partisan phrases like "nanny state." I don't use moveon or American thinker, Oberman or Beck, the Nation or NRO. So, yes, i used the word partisan.

I speak for myself. And yes, your language and argument does tell all of us something about your world view. And nowhere did I say I know what you do for a living. Nor do I suggest I know anything about your current work or service. Nothing I said suggests that at all. So, does this say something about your ability to comprehend?

And policies don't create as you suggest. Perhaps you could clarify so I better understand what the hell you're talking about.
 
yes, I did. And you know, I never call republicans names. I almost never speak of them as a group being evil. I don't even use partisan phrases like "nanny state." I don't use moveon or American thinker, Oberman or Beck, the Nation or NRO. So, yes, i used the word partisan.

I speak for myself. And yes, your language and argument does tell all of us something about your world view. And nowhere did I say I know what you do for a living. Nor do I suggest I know anything about your current work or service. Nothing I said suggests that at all. So, does this say something about your ability to comprehend?

And policies don't create as you suggest. Perhaps you could clarify so I better understand what the hell you're talking about.

You walk, talk, and every post you make here BREATHES partisan.

How better to describe what democrats are creating other than "nanny state"? Would you prefer socialist? Communist dictatorship? Your leaders believe in wealth redistribution, in massive social spending at the expense of the economy, jobs market etc. You never met someone elses dollar you didnt believe you had a right to spend because you know better. You are even now endorsing legislation that takes people who are ALREADY provided funding and then take away the responsibilty to execute that state and federally provided funding for the welfare of 'the children' they are supposed to be responsible for. You advocate now 'school' meal programs providing breakfast, lunch, and dinner, year round...even during the summer months when 'the children' arent in school. So...by all means...give me a better name for a government that cripples people and exploits their weakness and failings for political power. Give me a better name for a political ideology that believes it is the responsibility of the federal government to take care of other peoples children.
 
You will just never learn...

In Alaska...
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In Yellowstone...
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In Atlanta...
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ANYWHERE USA...
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Help? Sure. But thats not what is happening.
 
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You walk, talk, and every post you make here BREATHES partisan.

How better to describe what democrats are creating other than "nanny state"? Would you prefer socialist? Communist dictatorship? Your leaders believe in wealth redistribution, in massive social spending at the expense of the economy, jobs market etc. You never met someone elses dollar you didnt believe you had a right to spend because you know better. You are even now endorsing legislation that takes people who are ALREADY provided funding and then take away the responsibilty to execute that state and federally provided funding for the welfare of 'the children' they are supposed to be responsible for. You advocate now 'school' meal programs providing breakfast, lunch, and dinner, year round...even during the summer months when 'the children' arent in school. So...by all means...give me a better name for a government that cripples people and exploits their weakness and failings for political power. Give me a better name for a political ideology that believes it is the responsibility of the federal government to take care of other peoples children.

No, it breaths my views. I lean left, but have voted republican (Grassley, Reagan, Dole). But there is no real socialism or nanny state. This is as much an exaggeration as saying republicans want to kill granny. The debate is really about where can we help , where shodl we help, and when can government be used by the people to help problem situations. There is no need to use wild misrepsentations. We do have children who are not cared for well. And they grow up to be problem adults. It benefits all of us if we lend a hand here and there. So while I doubt we can fix every problem, nor do I see any actually trying to, where possible, a little reasonable aid might make a difference for someone.

And it is often beneficials to meet a need, and then start the education, the teaching how to fish as it were. If we're serious about such an education, then we ahve to start by meeting a few basic needs first.
 
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