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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Uh yeah... it's page 57 but I'll add my two cents anyway.

    I didn't support the child nutrition bill, and it wasn't even because of the issue of background checks (although that is now included in my reasons why). The bill lacked any guidance for how this policy would be implemented on the local level. It seemed to require schools to make this nutrition program but laid no infrastructural suggestions for how this would be done; which basically means, individual schools would be left to figure out what a "nutrition program" would look like. If schools had the capacity to understand sound nutrition choices on their own, the bill wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

    Most school cafeterias have unhealthy food because it is low budget food, and it is only one aspect of the problem. On paper, children eat two meals a day at home. If the quality of those meals is suffering or non-existent, then it's the responsibility of the parents. The nutrition program doesn't cover that. Furthermore, children go to school to learn, not eat. There was a breakfast program at my school growing up and I thought it was a great idea. Breakfast is super important for children to start the day. It takes a lot of resources to do that though, and unless the school has the money to hire additional staff whose job it is to do food programming, the responsibility falls to teachers who are willing to volunteer extra time. Have you seen the public system lately? At this point, teachers already have to volunteer time just to get their work requirements completed at the end of the day.

    I would rather see the government revamp the food pyramid to not be an utter reflection of industry lobbying, and introducing better nutritional guidelines to the public as a whole. There is not much point in just providing meals to children if there is no education on food choices accompanying it. Also, I believe education PLUS industry regulation are important. I am not someone who believes it has to be one way or the other. Both are to blame: public ignorance and wanton addition of unhealthy additives to food. If the government can't take a multi-pronged approach then there is no point. Children should not have store access to Redbull and energy drinks that have "recommended dosage" written on them.

    The nutrition bill seemed to just throw money at schools and expect them to do the work. Well, school administrations are notoriously lazy, and unless they were trained in nutritional counseling at some point, they are just as ignorant as the children the bill would be trying to serve.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Uh yeah... it's page 57 but I'll add my two cents anyway.
    Excellent post.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Uh yeah... it's page 57 but I'll add my two cents anyway.

    I didn't support the child nutrition bill, and it wasn't even because of the issue of background checks (although that is now included in my reasons why). The bill lacked any guidance for how this policy would be implemented on the local level. It seemed to require schools to make this nutrition program but laid no infrastructural suggestions for how this would be done; which basically means, individual schools would be left to figure out what a "nutrition program" would look like. If schools had the capacity to understand sound nutrition choices on their own, the bill wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

    Most school cafeterias have unhealthy food because it is low budget food, and it is only one aspect of the problem. On paper, children eat two meals a day at home. If the quality of those meals is suffering or non-existent, then it's the responsibility of the parents. The nutrition program doesn't cover that. Furthermore, children go to school to learn, not eat. There was a breakfast program at my school growing up and I thought it was a great idea. Breakfast is super important for children to start the day. It takes a lot of resources to do that though, and unless the school has the money to hire additional staff whose job it is to do food programming, the responsibility falls to teachers who are willing to volunteer extra time. Have you seen the public system lately? At this point, teachers already have to volunteer time just to get their work requirements completed at the end of the day.

    I would rather see the government revamp the food pyramid to not be an utter reflection of industry lobbying, and introducing better nutritional guidelines to the public as a whole. There is not much point in just providing meals to children if there is no education on food choices accompanying it. Also, I believe education PLUS industry regulation are important. I am not someone who believes it has to be one way or the other. Both are to blame: public ignorance and wanton addition of unhealthy additives to food. If the government can't take a multi-pronged approach then there is no point. Children should not have store access to Redbull and energy drinks that have "recommended dosage" written on them.

    The nutrition bill seemed to just throw money at schools and expect them to do the work. Well, school administrations are notoriously lazy, and unless they were trained in nutritional counseling at some point, they are just as ignorant as the children the bill would be trying to serve.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Um.. What? So I guess the constant pressence of the US 7th Fleet for oh, I dunno, 50 years is just an apparition?

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    When did you see them make a port of call in Taiwan after 1979??? I can't believe people are so ignorant about the nature of U.S. relations with Taiwan...
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Uh yeah... it's page 57 but I'll add my two cents anyway.

    I didn't support the child nutrition bill.
    you evil bastard...you just want to starve children.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    When did you see them make a port of call in Taiwan after 1979??? I can't believe people are so ignorant about the nature of U.S. relations with Taiwan...
    Ah, so you're changing it up a bit? Who needs to make a "port-of-call" when you battle group consists of 2 carriers, and a 58 other crusiers, destroyers, and whatnot..

    Please. The 7th Fleet has been observed to be the first strike device for the United States in the south Pacific for over 50 years. It has enough men, and equipment to invade any nation, and hold it long enough for support to arrive! Back in 2005 (I think it was) when China was doing all those navel war games real darn close to Taiwan, what did Bush do? He sent the 7th fleet to "observe". What did China do? They discontinued their exercize. My God man, you're from Taiwan? How can you not know all this?


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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Ah, so you're changing it up a bit? Who needs to make a "port-of-call" when you battle group consists of 2 carriers, and a 58 other crusiers, destroyers, and whatnot..

    Please. The 7th Fleet has been observed to be the first strike device for the United States in the south Pacific for over 50 years. It has enough men, and equipment to invade any nation, and hold it long enough for support to arrive! Back in 2005 (I think it was) when China was doing all those navel war games real darn close to Taiwan, what did Bush do? He sent the 7th fleet to "observe". What did China do? They discontinued their exercize. My God man, you're from Taiwan? How can you not know all this?


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    There are still no American troops stationed in Taiwan, as was the original assertion... Please, read posts before you jump in with irrelevant rants such as this...
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not deciding for your kids. All that has been said is what the government provides be nutrious. You can give them all the crap you want. You are really misunderstanding here. Seriously.

    What about the story of the kid that brought his own lunch from home, and was told he couldn't eat it because it didn't conform to standards set in the school? I know that may be an isolated incident, however, we do have some liberals that are a little over zealous in their approach.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What about the story of the kid that brought his own lunch from home, and was told he couldn't eat it because it didn't conform to standards set in the school? I know that may be an isolated incident, however, we do have some liberals that are a little over zealous in their approach.

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    how about giving us a cite for that incident, so we can see what you are speaking about
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how about giving us a cite for that incident, so we can see what you are speaking about

    The one from the US that I read was deleted, big surprise. But I did find an example from across the pond.

    Officials at a nursery school in Pemberton, England, confiscated the cheese sandwich a two-year old brought to school. The sandwich was considered to be inappropirate because it did not include either lettuce or tomato.

    Wigan Council has since confirmed that the straight-up combination of cheese and bread contravenes its healthy eating guidelines — and fully supported the cheese-snatchers. “The centre has a list of recommended healthy food, according to national guidelines, which children are encouraged to eat,” said a spokesman. “A cheese sandwich would not feature on the list.”

    School Officials Confiscate Toddler's Cheese Sandwich
    Nice eh?

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