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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do people make bad choices? Yes. Are we free in this country to do so? So far.


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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    why don't I get a choice on whether or not I get to pay to support them?
    But you do have a choice, don't pay your taxes.
    Doing so will open up a lot of new choices later on...
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    But you do have a choice, don't pay your taxes.
    Doing so will open up a lot of new choices later on...
    yeah, but then you would have to pay more to support my kids once I was in jail. afterall, you can't let my kids go hungry because I made a bad decision.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, I never saw that, but no, it isn't better, and yours are not being punished when we help them. It's just silly to say they are. And we, people, have always handled hard time better when they come together than when they divide. You have alot wrong my friend. Sadly.
    Let's put it this way. I think most rich, or tax payers would ahve no trouble funding programs for the very poor, provided that we meet in the middle. What I mean, is, if we're going to pay for the capable, but yet unwilling (for whatever reason) then why not demand some reciprocation. Meaning, work for your hand outs. Whether it be day care services in da hood, sweeping up the roads, garbage pick up, window washing, you name it folks, there are a ton of jobs that we pay unionized workers an incredibly high wage for that requires no skill set, only effort. That is the kind of compromise that I could go for, but it is the hard thing to do. Why is it hard? Well, it's not really, but politically, we lack leaders that have the conviction to make it happen, and we lack judges that see the virtue in implementing programs such as work for hand outs.

    The truth is that no one opposes halping the truly unable, and needy, but the reality is that most that are taking out without putting in, and not truly needy, they are just unwilling. It's the fault of decades of entitlement spending, and we reap what we have sewn.

    As a matter of fact, I see no downside at all to work for welfare, or food stamps, or medicaid, or what have you. If you take, you should do what is within your power to pay back. It's as simple as that.

    The lib's should be all for this kind fo thing, as it answers their main argument. "What about the children". Well the children are still taken care of, we are now just asking that those parents are giving something back.


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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Let's put it this way. I think most rich, or tax payers would ahve no trouble funding programs for the very poor, provided that we meet in the middle. What I mean, is, if we're going to pay for the capable, but yet unwilling (for whatever reason) then why not demand some reciprocation. Meaning, work for your hand outs. Whether it be day care services in da hood, sweeping up the roads, garbage pick up, window washing, you name it folks, there are a ton of jobs that we pay unionized workers an incredibly high wage for that requires no skill set, only effort. That is the kind of compromise that I could go for, but it is the hard thing to do. Why is it hard? Well, it's not really, but politically, we lack leaders that have the conviction to make it happen, and we lack judges that see the virtue in implementing programs such as work for hand outs.

    The truth is that no one opposes halping the truly unable, and needy, but the reality is that most that are taking out without putting in, and not truly needy, they are just unwilling. It's the fault of decades of entitlement spending, and we reap what we have sewn.

    As a matter of fact, I see no downside at all to work for welfare, or food stamps, or medicaid, or what have you. If you take, you should do what is within your power to pay back. It's as simple as that.

    The lib's should be all for this kind fo thing, as it answers their main argument. "What about the children". Well the children are still taken care of, we are now just asking that those parents are giving something back.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    yeah, but then you would have to pay more to support my kids once I was in jail. afterall, you can't let my kids go hungry because I made a bad decision.
    Supporting children is OK, supporting adults who act like children, tho, is not OK..
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Supporting children is OK, supporting adults who act like children, tho, is not OK..
    but, but, but....we have to support the adults so that the children don't starve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Let's put it this way. I think most rich, or tax payers would ahve no trouble funding programs for the very poor, provided that we meet in the middle. What I mean, is, if we're going to pay for the capable, but yet unwilling (for whatever reason) then why not demand some reciprocation. Meaning, work for your hand outs. Whether it be day care services in da hood, sweeping up the roads, garbage pick up, window washing, you name it folks, there are a ton of jobs that we pay unionized workers an incredibly high wage for that requires no skill set, only effort. That is the kind of compromise that I could go for, but it is the hard thing to do. Why is it hard? Well, it's not really, but politically, we lack leaders that have the conviction to make it happen, and we lack judges that see the virtue in implementing programs such as work for hand outs.

    The truth is that no one opposes halping the truly unable, and needy, but the reality is that most that are taking out without putting in, and not truly needy, they are just unwilling. It's the fault of decades of entitlement spending, and we reap what we have sewn.

    As a matter of fact, I see no downside at all to work for welfare, or food stamps, or medicaid, or what have you. If you take, you should do what is within your power to pay back. It's as simple as that.

    The lib's should be all for this kind fo thing, as it answers their main argument. "What about the children". Well the children are still taken care of, we are now just asking that those parents are giving something back.


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    IF they really are "very poor"....
    Some I know manage to have cell phones, cable TV, internet, etc. and claim to be poor.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    but, but, but....we have to support the adults so that the children don't starve
    I know that was sarcasm, otherwise it would sound sort of liberal....
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    IF they really are "very poor"....
    Some I know manage to have cell phones, cable TV, internet, etc. and claim to be poor.
    I have relatives like that. claim to be poor and can't afford medical insurance, blah, blah, blah. but they can afford a case of beer every friday night and 2-3 packs of cigarettes a day, cell phones and drive a nicer/newer car than I do.

    but they are poor.
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