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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'll let my signature speak for me on this thread.
    Sorry... but the first quote is NOT attributed to Jefferson. It's attributed to John Sharp Williams, who was a Democrat and Minority Leader of the House of Representatives from 1903-1908. Williams made the quote about Jefferson and this quote from 1807: "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." But no, Jefferson did not say this.

    The second quote ALSO was never made by Jefferson. It was made by John Galt in a book in 1986, false attributing it to Jefferson. The only quote that might come close to this from Jefferson is this: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it."

    Simple search engine search yielded these results. So, letting your signature speak for yourself in this thread doesn't say too much.

    Neither quote is Jefferson's so you might want to consider altering your signature to reflect accuracy.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Sorry... but the first quote is NOT attributed to Jefferson. It's attributed to John Sharp Williams, who was a Democrat and Minority Leader of the House of Representatives from 1903-1908. Williams made the quote about Jefferson and this quote from 1807: "History, in general, only informs us what bad government is." But no, Jefferson did not say this.

    The second quote ALSO was never made by Jefferson. It was made by John Galt in a book in 1986, false attributing it to Jefferson. The only quote that might come close to this from Jefferson is this: "To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it."

    Simple search engine search yielded these results. So, letting your signature speak for yourself in this thread doesn't say too much.
    My search engine brings up a ton of sites that say otherwise.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Back to my view on this subject: If the conservative and liberal parents ALIKE didn't decide on their own that the health of their children wasn't very important to them then we wouldn't even be HAVING this debate.

    Obesity and poor health conditions that are related to it are NOT partisan issues - nor do these issues give a damn whether or not you're in the military or if you're 10 and in elementary school - rich or poor, black or white.

    You can't take an issue that's not bound BY politics and turn it into a political-partisan topic. It doesn't work that way.

    If it wouldn't affect everyone's taxes, health-expenses and other such interests nationwide, now and in the future, I wouldn't CARE what other people feed their kids.

    But it does - so I do.

    Do people make bad choices? Yes. Are we free in this country to do so? So far.


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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do people make bad choices? Yes. Are we free in this country to do so? So far.


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    Yes, we are. But we can also decide not to let children suffer for those poor choices where we don't have to. Feeding children when they need it isn't evil. Nor is making sure what we provide, with tax dollars, is nutrious.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I don't know what the answer is to so many unwed mothers having several kids with different fathers for example. However, it seems they receive so many entitlements that they have no reason to change or even worry about birth control. I don't want to punish the kids, but doesn't it seem we are doing something wrong?
    People were having kids they shouldn't have long before welfare. They just suffered more. So, no, nothing about helping them seems wrong to me at all. While I'm nto sure how to make people behave properly, I do know I would never punish children for the failures of the parent.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    People were having kids they shouldn't have long before welfare. They just suffered more. So, no, nothing about helping them seems wrong to me at all. While I'm nto sure how to make people behave properly, I do know I would never punish children for the failures of the parent.
    maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


    but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


    but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
    Nope. I would never suggest any such thing. And that may well be the draw back of a free people. It's one I can live with.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. I would never suggest any such thing. And that may well be the draw back of a free people. It's one I can live with.
    so basically you think we should just let them pump out as many damn kids as they like and then tax the hell out of the rest of us to support them????

    free people??? they are free to be as irresponsible as they want and we are free to pay for it. nice.....
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe we should sterilize the parents? give em that option. If you want us to support your kids, you have to get sterilized so you don't have any more. Norplant or something that will keep them from reproducing for 5 years. When you prove to the govt, by getting off welfare, that you can support yourself and kids then you can stop taking the drug.


    but, of course ,that will never fly. can't infringe on their rights to be irresponsible.
    I wish people spent a few days with a picninc basket outside of their contracted county behavioral health or medicaid providers. The parade of people going in and out of there...well...it would be an eye-opener. The way we facilitate the weakest of the the weak in their reproductive efforts...hell...their lives...is certainly counter-evolutionary.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I wish people spent a few days with a picninc basket outside of their contracted county behavioral health or medicaid providers. The parade of people going in and out of there...well...it would be an eye-opener. The way we facilitate the weakest of the the weak in their reproductive efforts...hell...their lives...is certainly counter-evolutionary.

    So you are a fan of eugenics?

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