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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You bet, and conservatives just can't stand the concept of feeding hungry kids. You're right.

    This is what your party does. It creates a monstrosity of a bill, then wraps in pretty paper that says "feed the children" or "health for everyone", and then it claims all Republicans want is for poor people to starve and die.

    We all want kids to eat, bud. But does it take a $4.5 billion bill with 17 earmark pet projects to do so?
    I don't know about conservatives, as I haven't seen any poll on them. But the person I was tlaking to said we should not feed hungry kids.

    Now, as for my party, I see it quite differently than you do. We can tackle each one if you like. But it is more about solving problems than anything else in my view.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know about conservatives, as I haven't seen any poll on them. But the person I was tlaking to said we should not feed hungry kids.

    Now, as for my party, I see it quite differently than you do. We can tackle each one if you like. But it is more about solving problems than anything else in my view.
    Well for future reference, if a Democrat draws up the bill, it's NEVER about what the bill is called. It's about handing out million-dollar handshakes to political friends and expanding government as much as possible.

    We can feed kids. My church alone provided Thanksgiving and a month's worth of groceries to more than 200 families. And we did it for 1 percent of what it would have cost a government program to do it.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Well for future reference, if a Democrat draws up the bill, it's NEVER about what the bill is called. It's about handing out million-dollar handshakes to political friends and expanding government as much as possible.

    We can feed kids. My church alone provided Thanksgiving and a month's worth of groceries to more than 200 families. And we did it for 1 percent of what it would have cost a government program to do it.
    You mean like the patriot act? Or no child left behind? Bills that say exactly what they are about?

    And, no you likely could not do the scale at anywhere near a lower cost. Sorry. I commend your church, but I've been ppor, and such from chuches were often too little and too limited to help consistently. They are great in short term emergencys, and take nothing from them, but they have not been able to handle larger problems for longer periods of time.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe because parent sells food stamps for 30 cents on the dollar to buy booze and cigarettes with, instead of spending it to buy FOOD for their kids.


    welfare, food stamps, medicaide, free school lunch, low income housing, low income grants and scholarships. we already give and give and give and give to these people.

    when will enough be enough?
    It will never be enough, OscarB63, until everyone, apart from the government and its employees, is living at the same poverty level.

    Life is not being measured by its quality anymore, its being measured by income. Instead of being grateful for what we do have, we're being resentful for what we don't have. Maybe ths time around tgeey will rationalize that we should "tax the rich". Who comes next?

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

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    It will never be enough, OscarB63, until everyone, apart from the government and its employees, is living at the same poverty level.

    Life is not being measured by its quality anymore, its being measured by income. Instead of being grateful for what we do have, we're being resentful for what we don't have. Maybe ths time around tgeey will rationalize that we should "tax the rich". Who comes next?
    Where does this silliness come from?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We're paying for a couple of needless wars, but can't pay to feed children?
    Once again, this isn't about feeding children. The GOP wanted background checks of cafeteria workers included in the bill, and the Democrats said no, then started pissing and moaning that the Republicans wanted to starve the kids. Since it is the cafeteria workers who serve the food to the kids, including this provision in the bill is most relevant.

    This stunt by the Democrats was dishonest as hell from the very start.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Where does this silliness come from?
    it really is a simple question, Boo, when will it be enough? just how much should we subsidize the standard of living for "the poor"
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    reading trouble? I was not childless and single.

    please, I have never stated that those who are "unable" should be punished. but far too many people cry unable, when they are really just unwilling.
    Oscar,

    I understand your point of view. I really do. However, not everyone has the opportunity you had to move him or herself out of their poor economic situation as you have. I applaud you for having the courage to step up and do something to change your life situation. But not everyone has that same opportunity. You, sir, obviously got "sick and tired of being sick and tired" and likely had someone to support you while you worked through your difficult times. Not everyone is so fortunate. Thus, I think it's wrong for those who disagree with initiatives such as the topic of this discussion to do as you have a lump everyone who is poor into the category of being "whinning lazy asses". I know quite a few people - black, white, Hispanic, whomever - who work hard everyday but no matter how hard they try they get pulled two steps back for every one step they take trying to move themselves forward. Granted, not everyone poor person on Food Stamps is honorable or ethical; but there are some who really do try to get off the system. These are the people I fight for not those who sit on their butts and do little to nothing to better themselves.

    Again, I applaud you but not everyone is so fortunate.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Oscar,

    I understand your point of view. I really do. However, not everyone has the opportunity you had to move him or herself out of their poor economic situation as you have. I applaud you for having the courage to step up and do something to change your life situation. But not everyone has that same opportunity. You, sir, obviously got "sick and tired of being sick and tired" and likely had someone to support you while you worked through your difficult times. Not everyone is so fortunate. Thus, I think it's wrong for those who disagree with initiatives such as the topic of this discussion to do as you have a lump everyone who is poor into the category of being "whinning lazy asses". I know quite a few people - black, white, Hispanic, whomever - who work hard everyday but no matter how hard they try they get pulled two steps back for every one step they try to take to move forward.

    Again, I applaud you but not everyone is so fortunate.
    sorry dude..."fortune" had nothing to do with it. any able bodied non retard has exactly the same opportunity that I had, minorities have more because there are special minority programs they qualify for that I didn't. The only person that i had supporting me was a wife who wasn't a lazy bitch and would take care of our kids while I worked. my parents were too busy trying to raise, support my younger brothers to help me and my mother-in-law basically disowned my wife when she married me.


    and I have never advocated not helping those who are UNABLE to help themself.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it really is a simple question, Boo, when will it be enough? just how much should we subsidize the standard of living for "the poor"

    IMHO you are poor. And this is coming from a person on full disability.

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