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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, it breaths my views. I lean left, but have voted republican (Grassley, Reagan, Dole). But there is no real socialism or nanny state. This is as much an exaggeration as saying republicans want to kill granny. The debate is really about where can we help , where shodl we help, and when can government be used by the people to help problem situations. There is no need to use wild misrepsentations. We do have children who are not cared for well. And they grow up to be problem adults. It benefits all of us if we lend a hand here and there. So while I doubt we can fix every problem, nor do I see any actually trying to, where possible, a little reasonable aid might make a difference for someone.

    And it is often beneficials to meet a need, and then start the education, the teaching how to fish as it were. If we're serious about such an education, then we ahve to start by meeting a few basic needs first.
    The next time you present a non partisan or bi partisan position on ANYTHING it will be the first time. And sorry...but you endorse the federal government now feeding kids breakfast, lunch AND dinner with no mention of responsibility or accountability of their providers (despite the fact that those people are ALREADY given taxpayer dollars to feed those children). You call it what you want...but you endorse more and more the federal government taking care of the people in this country. Those policies have destroyed families. They ahve destroyed communties. And as FDR warned...they have destroyed the will of the individual. It doesnt help...it cripples. and you find that humane. Sorry...doesnt work for me.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The next time you present a non partisan or bi partisan position on ANYTHING it will be the first time. And sorry...but you endorse the federal government now feeding kids breakfast, lunch AND dinner with no mention of responsibility or accountability of their providers (despite the fact that those people are ALREADY given taxpayer dollars to feed those children). You call it what you want...but you endorse more and more the federal government taking care of the people in this country. Those policies have destroyed families. They ahve destroyed communties. And as FDR warned...they have destroyed the will of the individual. It doesnt help...it cripples. and you find that humane. Sorry...doesnt work for me.
    YEs, I favor feeding kids who need a meal. I was not aware this was partisan. I actually know conservatives who favor it as well. And no, I don't see the government as my enemy. A personal view. I grew up believing we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people. I didn't know that was partisan either. I present my feelings and views on the issues I addresss. I figure that's how it should be. And I do so, as I said, without demonizing republicans or using silly phrases like nanny state.

    When you do the same, I won't call you partisan.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    YEs, I favor feeding kids who need a meal. I was not aware this was partisan. I actually know conservatives who favor it as well. And no, I don't see the government as my enemy. A personal view. I grew up believing we have a government of the people, by the people, for the people. I didn't know that was partisan either. I present my feelings and views on the issues I addresss. I figure that's how it should be. And I do so, as I said, without demonizing republicans or using silly phrases like nanny state.

    When you do the same, I won't call you partisan.
    Partisan? Nah. Call me what you will tho....I couldnt care less. WHAT I do care is a 14 trillion dollar debt that gets larger with every program and a government that creates more crippled and dependent pets every day. And if you TRULY care, then FEED them for Gods sake. Stop pretending it is the role of the federal government to do the job you allegedly believe in.

    Ever been to Juarez? Theres a bridge that connects El Paso to Juarez and when you walk there you have to keep your head down and dodge beggars at every turn. If you stop once you are swarmed. Get halfway across the bridge and you are broke. You didnt help them, you cant help the rest of them, and you have nothing to provide for yourself and your family. The handouts keep them poor and begging. Nothing changes. Thats precisely what your vision of government is doing and heading for.

    Edit: I should add tho...if thats what YOU want to do...then by all means...DO it.
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Partisan? Nah. Call me what you will tho....I couldnt care less. WHAT I do care is a 14 trilliuon dollar debt that gets larger with every program and a government that creates more crippled and dependent pets every day. And if you TRULY care, then FEED them for Gods sake. Stop pretending it is the role of the federal government to do the job you allegedly believe in.

    Ever been to Juarez? Theres a bridge that connects El Paso to Juarez and when you walk there you have to keep your head down and dodge beggars at every turn. If you stop once you are swarmed. Get halfway across the bridge and you are broke. You didnt help them, you cant help the rest of them, and you have nothing to provide for yourself and your family. The handouts keep them poor and begging. Nothing changes. Thats precisely what your vision of government is doing and heading for.
    We are the government. And don't pretend you know what I do either.

    We can often do more my working through a larger enitity like the government, so when we use the government to help here, it is really us who are doing it. And if we don't like it, we remove our leaders during the next election.

    And no, my vision doesn't lead the what you describe. That's more exaggeration on your part. It's not what you do as much as how you do it. Meet basic needs and then teach to fish.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We are the government. And don't pretend you know what I do either.

    We can often do more my working through a larger enitity like the government, so when we use the government to help here, it is really us who are doing it. And if we don't like it, we remove our leaders during the next election.

    And no, my vision doesn't lead the what you describe. That's more exaggeration on your part. It's not what you do as much as how you do it. Meet basic needs and then teach to fish.
    You endorse the government providing breakfast, lunch AND dinner....12 months out of the year...with no expectation of the parent or provider that is responsible for the child and is being PAID to provide for those children. You want to grow the federal government to accomplish that end. The federal government that already is approaching a debt totalling 100%+ of our annual GDP. It is not sustainable. it is not responsible. It doesnt teach responsibility. It encourages failure and dependency, not growth and development. It continues to cripple people and make them even further dependent on the federal government. Sorry...thats the reality...

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You endorse the government providing breakfast, lunch AND dinner....12 months out of the year...with no expectation of the parent or provider that is responsible for the child and is being PAID to provide for those children. You want to grow the federal government to accomplish that end. The federal government that already is approaching a debt totalling 100%+ of our annual GDP. It is not sustainable. it is not responsible. It doesnt teach responsibility. It encourages failure and dependency, not growth and development. It continues to cripple people and make them even further dependent on the federal government. Sorry...thats the reality...
    we can't afford to feed hungry kids is the assertion of someone who in another thread wants to make sure we give tax breaks to billionaire$

    any wonder the right wing has no credibility
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You endorse the government providing breakfast, lunch AND dinner....12 months out of the year...with no expectation of the parent or provider that is responsible for the child and is being PAID to provide for those children. You want to grow the federal government to accomplish that end. The federal government that already is approaching a debt totalling 100%+ of our annual GDP. It is not sustainable. it is not responsible. It doesnt teach responsibility. It encourages failure and dependency, not growth and development. It continues to cripple people and make them even further dependent on the federal government. Sorry...thats the reality...
    Who said I have no expectation for the parents? But let's be real, there are parents who fail for a number of reasons. I merely argue there is no reason to punish the children for it.

    And no, the government works for us, and is us, there are palces to cut. I personally think fighting two needless wars is a waste of money. And I think there are much more efficient ways our government could accomplish the tasks we have for them. But, those can each be debated on their merits or lack there of.

    And yes, you can teach responsibility. You don't have to ignore their needs to do so. Like I said ealry, Maslow applies here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    any wonder the right wing has no credibility
    LOL!

    you didn't see the last election results?

    it was all over the news

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    YEs, I favor feeding kids who need a meal.
    You bet, and conservatives just can't stand the concept of feeding hungry kids. You're right.

    This is what your party does. It creates a monstrosity of a bill, then wraps in pretty paper that says "feed the children" or "health for everyone", and then it claims all Republicans want is for poor people to starve and die.

    We all want kids to eat, bud. But does it take a $4.5 billion bill with 17 earmark pet projects to do so?

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    at the CA public hi school where i've worked for 24 years an awful lot of the kids THROW AWAY an awful lot of the subsidized breakfasts and lunches they're given

    almost all of em, however, eat the cookie

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