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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    your kind won't let us, because most of what needs to be done to solve that problem would require forcing ****ty parents to do things they don't want to do or...GASP...restricting someone's "right" to pump out as many kids as fast as they can.
    well then tell us ... preferably in its own thread ... what needs to be done to end the problem of irresponsible people having children they cannot afford to raise
    once i know those things you would do then i could comment about whether i would find them appropriate and workable
    but you offer nothing specific ... you only point to the problem itself and never offer a solution. this matter of addressing the issue of hungry, malnourished students is but a singular example of your inability (or unwillingness) to offer solutions
    we already give them welfare and food stamps...when will enough be enough?
    if the welfare and the food stamp programs were enough then this problem would not be one we need to address. but the reality is, this is a problem now being undertaken by the congress. why do you want to avoid reality [another rhetorical question ... we recognize it is because you have no answers, only gripes about problems]
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why are children alledgedly going to school hungry?

    Has anyone interveiwed their parent?
    do you think the congress would be addressing a solution to the problem if the problem did not actually exist?

    but offer us something which will document that there is no such hunger problem in the schools, that this is a bogus issue
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i keep seeing this, usually posited by that turtle dude member, that the democrats help the lower income citizens, not because they need help but because they want their votes
    if that was such an effective approach, one would think the republicans would exploit that cause and effect to their own political advantage
    but they don't, which causes me to dismiss that argument as one which won't hold water
    instead, it would appear that those working class folks vote in their perceived self interest, recognizing that it is the democrats, more than the republicans, who support the programs which benefit them
    in contrast, we see the republicans supporting the programs that are more beneficial to business and industry interests
    the point being, you attribute the democrats approach to assisting the working class as being intended to help the democrats rather than the working class, and as was noted above, that proves to be a lame, unsubstantiated assessment

    Really? That is your observation? Wow. So let me see if I have this straight in layman's terms.....You think that welfare, and handouts help these communities more so than having a job and a sense of real worth eh?

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    maybe because parent sells food stamps for 30 cents on the dollar to buy booze and cigarettes with, instead of spending it to buy FOOD for their kids.
    not saying this does not happen. in fact, i know that it does
    but how does your whining about the ways in which that program is operated, which enables that black market sale of food stamps, how does that in any way address the thread topic which is the feeding of hungry children
    tell us what you would do to the food stamp program which would allow those hungry kids to be properly fed

    welfare, food stamps, medicaide, free school lunch, low income housing, low income grants and scholarships. we already give and give and give and give to these people.

    when will enough be enough?
    it will be enough when there are no more people who are without the means to provide for themselves. how do we accomplish that?
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? That is your observation? Wow. So let me see if I have this straight in layman's terms.....You think that welfare, and handouts help these communities more so than having a job and a sense of real worth eh?

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    bass-ackwards if you ask me.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no, but I would be more than happy to sterilize their worthless parents so they couldn't bring more and more of the little bastards into being.
    so, your solution is to take a page out of the nazi playbook and sterilize those who you deem inappropriate to responsibly raise kids
    would this be reversible, if the prospective parents get their act together or nonreversible?
    at what point would you determine them to be irresponsible and deserving of sterilization?
    what criteria would you use to distinguish the responsible parents from thoise who are irresponsible and should not be parents?
    certainly, if you can effect an acceptable methodology for that problem then the problem of student hunger effectively goes away. so tell us your process to effect selective sterilization. also tell us why you would find that to be acceptable under the Constitution
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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This bill isn't about feeding kids. It's about the multiple pet payoffs woven within it.

    But when you bring up the "children", it becomes an impentrable force field.


    That's the case with any bill, but that wasan't really the objection in the original op. However, the discussion I was ahving was with someone who was amking another argument, and children was part of that.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    no, but it is a condition/tradition that can and is passed from parents to children
    Which can be passed on regardless of whether we help or not. But not passed on to anyone not in that family or tradition. And, this is important, you can help and still encourage and help people move out of that tradition. Before you can tach a person to fish, it is often good to put a little food in the belly to start with. That Maslow fellow discussed this your text books somewhere in your education I'm sure.

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Lets be absolutely blunt. The OHMIGODITSFORTHECHIIIIILDREN rhetoric aside...I will betg body parts that prior to the biased article, not a soul here knew this legislation was even being CONSIDERED. But NOW...all of a sudden...this is critical...vital...BULL****. Its kneejerk partisdan rhetoric at its finest. That article did EXACTLY what they meant it to do...cause the liberal base to get all up in arms about the eeeeeevil republicans.

    If those liberals that are so up in arms about this horrible attrocity were truly as committed to 'the children' as you pretend to be...where the hell have you been PRIOR to the article? Cuz...I gotta be honest...I havent seen NARY a post or thread from ANY of you prior to this proclaiming the need for similar proposals and I DAMN sure havent seen the massive groundswell efforts to do it without the federal government.

    And I'd bet you STILL havent bothered to read what is actually IN the legislation...

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    Re: Republicans block child nutrition bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why are children alledgedly going to school hungry?

    Has anyone interveiwed their parent?
    They are going to school early and eating the free breakfast because mom and dad dont have to provide it. Then they are having a free lunch...because again...mom and dad havent provided it. Its all bull**** rhetoric. They arent going to school hungry...they are already on the program. This legislation added about 110,000 foster kids. the 20 million were already ON the free breakfast and lunch programs. This legislation, in addition to growing government programs and creating more irresponsible spending adds the DINNER meal into the mix and then makes the school responsible for providing all THREE meals during the summer when school isnt even in session.

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