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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Very cool. I wonder what the ammunition costs?
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    when they say a "squad weapon" they mean a 'squad-level weapon", which means that it will be carried by a single individual. my question is will it be that individuals' personal (his primary weapon) or his secondary (will he have to carry a rifle in addition to it). currently (This is Marine Corps Doctrine, Army squads run with two fireteams per squad) the squad is broken down TO like this:

    Squad Leader: M4
    1st Team Leader: M-16 with 203 attachment
    Rifleman: M-16 (some units are giving him the 203 instead, a move which i support, as it frees the team leader up)
    SAW Gunner: M249 (squad-level machine gun)
    Assistant SAW Gunner: M-16 and hundreds of extra linked 5.56 rounds for the SAW gunner

    and then there are two more teams exactly like that; so each squad supposedly already has 3 machine guns in it and three grenade launchers. at 14 pounds unloaded this thing is going to be another suppression weapon rather than a maneuver one; so take away a machine gun? the SAW is 3/4ths of a teams' firepower in a firefight; that's a big hit to lose. is the increase in grenade launching ability worth either slowing down the squad or reducing its' available firepower?

    mind you, i think it's a great concept; i just have grown a little skeptical of the Next Great Weapon that is always Going To Be A Game Changer. this strikes me as a high-speed version of the 6-shooter.
    Possibly replace one of the M-16/203’s with this weapon? It’s basically a longer-ranged and more accurate grenade launcher…With precision air-burst capability...

    If they could cut it down in overall size, possibly a reduced capability version, in place of the 203... Perhaps the M-16/XJ-25 (or whatever) grenade launcher attachment?

    It sounds like it could be useful, in the right situation - the problems are, as you say, it's weight/size basically displacing a more conventional weapon...
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Very cool. I wonder what the ammunition costs?
    About 25 dollars a round IIRC.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What?

    Why?
    Because it's a clip from a sci-fi movie and it was a joke, that's why! *smack*

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Sorry, I'm somewhat unempressed. It's a nice, expensive toy. It is not a game changer, or a war winner. I'd have settled for an infantry rifle that wouldn't jam as much and is much more lethal than the one we have now. For that matter our boys could use some sensible rules of engagement policies that make sense. As it is this is just some expensive equipment that will enrich the defence industry at the expense of the american taxpayer.
    How do you make a bullet "more lethal?" Coat it with that deadly saliva from komodo dragons? I mean, once you've put a hole in a dude, what more is there?
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because it's a clip from a sci-fi movie and it was a joke, that's why! *smack*



    How do you make a bullet "more lethal?" Coat it with that deadly saliva from komodo dragons? I mean, once you've put a hole in a dude, what more is there?
    You make explodey things, that's how!






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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    I feel a little crappy, now - they make a new devise to kill people and all I can think of is my favorite movie and video game.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    really. could we take this money and switch to a 6.8 caliber and a piston-powered system instead?
    i remember when the 6-shooters came out they were supposed to be So Awesome also.

    then it turned out they were heavy as crap, the sights didn't work, they were too imbalanced to aim well, and the buttstock was constantly breaking.

    so we put ours back in the armory and just kept our 203's.
    Only if we wanted to provide a better rifle for our infantry, that is currently outgunned and outranged by the taliban's soviet era equipment.

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    Americans outgunned by Taleban’s AK47sMichael Evans, Pentagon Correspondent
    The future of the standard issue infantry rifle used by American troops in Afghanistan is under review amid concerns that it is the wrong weapon for the job.

    With its light bullets the M4 rifle lacks sufficient velocity and killing power in long-range firefights, leaving US troops outgunned by the Taleban and their AK47 Kalashnikovs and the old Russian SVD sniper rifle.......
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post

    How do you make a bullet "more lethal?" Coat it with that deadly saliva from komodo dragons? I mean, once you've put a hole in a dude, what more is there?
    You make explodey things, that's how!
    You make it bigger and faster. Not all infantry rounds were created equal. The 5.56 round has always been a loser. I'm guessing you aren't a gun guy.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    this... big time. If we had this in Viet Nam, that would have ended differently (I am NOT commenting on the issue of should we have been there or not... simply stating that this weapon would have cuased a different outcome).
    No it wouldn't. The vietnam war was was won on the battlefield and lost on the streets of american cities.

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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

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