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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. how heavy is it
    2. how heavy is the ammo
    3. how often and easily does it break
    4. does it require batteries
    1: 14 pounds

    2: It's a 25 X 40 grenade, the weight is pretty standard for those. Not sure the exact weight.

    3: Unsure but know that reliability has been a big part of the testing process

    4: Yes, both for fusing and laser range finder.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. how heavy is it
    2. how heavy is the ammo
    3. how often and easily does it break
    4. does it require batteries
    5. Can I have one?

    They've already forbidden me from having that AA-12, which is complete horse ****. When the Cubs win the World Series next year, I'll have need of things to help me blow **** up!
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1: 14 pounds
    that's a medium problem; it makes the weapon about the same weight as the Squad Automatic Weapon; and it risks making this a vehicle-patrol weapon. is a rifleman going to be expected to give up his personal rifle for this, or carry both?

    2: It's a 25 X 40 grenade, the weight is pretty standard for those. Not sure the exact weight.
    if this thing carries computer chips designed to blow it at exactly the right points and places by measuring out many times it has rotated through the air, i'm going to bet that it's a little above standard for a 25mm.

    however, the standard grenade round has been 40mm. so i'm wondering how many magazines/bandoliers a rifleman can carry.

    3: Unsure but know that reliability has been a big part of the testing process
    yeah, but but they still give us the M-16.

    4: Yes, both for fusing and laser range finder.
    thaaat would be another problem. having a personal weapon dependent upon batteries is extremely problematic. NVG's you can do without if you must, ditto for the PEQ-15's, though not for the Radios (though you could survive without them). having your weapon suddenly go down and not having a baggie of batteries handy is inviting disaster.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    That is one sick ass gun.

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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Cpwill, I don't think it is planned as a personal weapon, but a squad weapon. Your points are well taken and you know more about that end of it than I. I believe the intent is you have one in a squad and it is in use similar to small artillery that was used at one time(no idea if that is currently used), except better.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Cpwill, I don't think it is planned as a personal weapon, but a squad weapon. Your points are well taken and you know more about that end of it than I. I believe the intent is you have one in a squad and it is in use similar to small artillery that was used at one time(no idea if that is currently used), except better.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    when they say a "squad weapon" they mean a 'squad-level weapon", which means that it will be carried by a single individual. my question is will it be that individuals' personal (his primary weapon) or his secondary (will he have to carry a rifle in addition to it). currently (This is Marine Corps Doctrine, Army squads run with two fireteams per squad) the squad is broken down TO like this:

    Squad Leader: M4
    1st Team Leader: M-16 with 203 attachment
    Rifleman: M-16 (some units are giving him the 203 instead, a move which i support, as it frees the team leader up)
    SAW Gunner: M249 (squad-level machine gun)
    Assistant SAW Gunner: M-16 and hundreds of extra linked 5.56 rounds for the SAW gunner

    and then there are two more teams exactly like that; so each squad supposedly already has 3 machine guns in it and three grenade launchers. at 14 pounds unloaded this thing is going to be another suppression weapon rather than a maneuver one; so take away a machine gun? the SAW is 3/4ths of a teams' firepower in a firefight; that's a big hit to lose. is the increase in grenade launching ability worth either slowing down the squad or reducing its' available firepower?

    mind you, i think it's a great concept; i just have grown a little skeptical of the Next Great Weapon that is always Going To Be A Game Changer. this strikes me as a high-speed version of the 6-shooter.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's a medium problem; it makes the weapon about the same weight as the Squad Automatic Weapon; and it risks making this a vehicle-patrol weapon. is a rifleman going to be expected to give up his personal rifle for this, or carry both?



    if this thing carries computer chips designed to blow it at exactly the right points and places by measuring out many times it has rotated through the air, i'm going to bet that it's a little above standard for a 25mm.

    however, the standard grenade round has been 40mm. so i'm wondering how many magazines/bandoliers a rifleman can carry.



    yeah, but but they still give us the M-16.



    thaaat would be another problem. having a personal weapon dependent upon batteries is extremely problematic. NVG's you can do without if you must, ditto for the PEQ-15's, though not for the Radios (though you could survive without them). having your weapon suddenly go down and not having a baggie of batteries handy is inviting disaster.
    I was thinking it would be used more along the lines of, well, a SAW, as opposed to a personal weapon.

    One or two people per squad detailed to carry one, depending on what the mission is.

    If there is no expectation of encountering enemies behind cover, there would be no reason to have one.

    But, as I mentioned before (although in terms of an FPS at the time), it's basically a more accurate and longer-ranged method of cooking a grenade so it explodes in mid-air...

    Assuming it works as advertized.

    Edit: Another thought - if a group of enemies presented themselves, nicely clustered, it wouldn't be too unreasonable to use an air-burst firing weapon of this type to hit them all at once (although far less accurate than multiple targeted rifle shots)
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    I understand your concerns cpwill. I would assume it would be used similarly to the M203 attachment. I see based on your post how questions about how it fits in are pretty pertinent, and I don't have the real answer on that.
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    Re: US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The only problem with the rifle is that the ammo is somewhat expensive, but 1 or 2 of these per squad does change the game, significantly. The video I posted goes somewhat into depth on how it works and what it can do, and the various uses are incredible. Mark target at distance you want to hit, fire, round explodes into mini rounds at that distance...so many applications for taking cover out of the equation, which totally changes the infantry battlefield.
    this... big time. If we had this in Viet Nam, that would have ended differently (I am NOT commenting on the issue of should we have been there or not... simply stating that this weapon would have cuased a different outcome).

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