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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Assange the Aussie assclown thinks Hillary should resign (shame on Time for giving him the format). Hillary thinks this POS should be taken down and incarcerated. If Hill resigns, it'll be to run for higher office, not because of the Aussie noodleneck. Meanwhile, Assange will end up in the Courts, and if not incarcerated, hounded out the legal whazoo for many moons to come.

    Couldn't happen to a more worthless scumbag.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    First off I'm an Australian. Like Assange. I do take a large interest in global politics though.

    I watched the full Glenn Beck program on Wikileaks. Youtube is helpful

    Basically his argument for the connection between Wikileaks and George Soros is that an organization that supports the leaker is the adult rendition to an organization created by a person who is now the CEO of the OSI organization, who George Soros is affiliated with. I'm struggling to see how this is significant at all... But even if it were... So what?

    Beck goes on to say that Assange should be tried for "treason", forgetting that he's not an American citizen, nor is he even in the country. Wikileaks isn't even hosted in the United States. Huckabee and O'Reilly have called for nothing less than execution for the leakers themselves, and Palin has asked why he's not being pursued with the same severity as senior Al-Qaeda leaders.

    The leading argument as far as I can see for his execution is that he "cost lives" though the leaking of this information. One Wikileaks held onto it for a long time to make sure this threat was lessened, and secondly they never actually go into any specifics, at least I've never seen anyone (I'd be overjoyed if someone here can provide me with a specific example of Assange's leaks (well, an organization he heads) costing lives). They seem to just say "He's cost lives" and leave it at that, without any challenge.

    The rape charges come at a curious time. Being wanted by a large number of countries (from the US to China to much of Europe, etc), most of whom who want him silenced, and now he's gone up against corporations, which is more or less suicide, it's a little odd for this to come out. That said, he should, as far as I can see, go in to clear all this up. I'd watch the trial VERY closely. I've heard that the woman said the condom broke and he didn't "pull out" soon enough, is this true? Any clarity you could shine would be much appreciated.

    I don't think anyone doubts Assange and Wikileaks have done some brilliant things for the world. Providing information on corrupt governments, safety violations by big corporations, all matter of things. I thought the Tea Party Conservatives would support the principle that a government has no justification for keeping non-military secrets from its population... after all, the people ARE the government, or at least they're meant to be. On military issues I didn't expect much support, but I support him at this point in time.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Is that so, well you are entitled to your own beliefs ofcourse, but just to highlight the character of this 'man', Assange offered a Q&A session for the guardian. Here is one question he took, where the person asking the question was articulate, and offered background to whom he was, and asked a pithy question at the end. Assange avoided it like the plague. Nice....here it is.

    Julian.
    I am a former British diplomat. In the course of my former duties I helped to coordinate multilateral action against a brutal regime in the Balkans, impose sanctions on a renegade state threatening ethnic cleansing, and negotiate a debt relief programme for an impoverished nation. None of this would have been possible without the security and secrecy of diplomatic correspondence, and the protection of that correspondence from publication under the laws of the UK and many other liberal and democratic states. An embassy which cannot securely offer advice or pass messages back to London is an embassy which cannot operate. Diplomacy cannot operate without discretion and the
    protection of sources. This applies to the UK and the UN as much as the US.
    In publishing this massive volume of correspondence, Wikileaks is not highlighting specific cases of wrongdoing but undermining the entire process of diplomacy. If you can publish US cables then you can publish UK telegrams and UN emails.
    My question to you is: why should we not hold you personally responsible when next an international crisis goes unresolved because diplomats cannot function.


    Julian Assange:
    If you trim the vast editorial letter to the singular question actually asked, I would be happy to give it my attention.


    Julian Assange answers your questions | World news | guardian.co.uk
    What a putz!


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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    I really dont understand why idiots like this would do such things as this against your own country. He is now scare ****less and now hiding

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Still...you gotta admit...there wasnt too much concern as long as he was banging the anti Bush, anti war drums. But now that he has dragged the dems into the mix...why...we gotta shut em down!!!

    Newsflash...he is the same scumbag he always was...but he was YOUR scumbag...so...ya kinda liked him. Admit it...ya KNOW ya did.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is that so, well you are entitled to your own beliefs ofcourse, but just to highlight the character of this 'man', Assange offered a Q&A session for the guardian. Here is one question he took, where the person asking the question was articulate, and offered background to whom he was, and asked a pithy question at the end. Assange avoided it like the plague. Nice....here it is.



    What a putz!


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    I brought up a lot in my above comment. I'm still wondering how this is a good connection Beck forms between Wikileaks and George Soros, and why this matters.

    I also wanted to know how one can justify wanting to put him on trial for treason. I stated some reasons below.

    I asked for specific examples of the information he released causing specific loss of life.

    Addressing the above comment you made, for one I don't see how this is in any way an indictment of Assange in a legal or moral sense, should we despise every CEO, politician, head of organization, etc, etc who dodges a question? Secondly, Assange has gotten this question an almost ridiculous amount of times, albeit in a different context (not specifically the Balkans), but I don't see how it would change the response. The man still doesn't point out HOW the information released will mess with international relations and aid negotiations SPECIFICALLY.

    Furthermore, even if it does mess up international relations and stop negotiations, I still believe (at this time) that he has a right to post it. This wasn't an American leak of any sorts on Wikileak's part. He wasn't an American citizen and Wikileaks is hosted offshore. NUMEROUS other sources have shared the same information. Wikileaks is another REPORTER like the New York Times, a large majority of news media, and websites that have reuploaded the documents. Wikileaks didn't "leak" the documents any more than the mainstream media did. If you want to blame someone go and run campaigns against leaks in the military/government. THEY have a responsibility that they take on when they sign up for the military. Charge THEM with whatever appropriate according to law.

    If you want to hold Wikileaks accountable I don't see how you can give the rest of the news media a pass.

    Additionally, the media gives coverage to serial killers all the time, it's absolutely beyond dispute that the media attention they gain at least partially motivates some killers. Does this mean they should be arrested for printing it? Speech shouldn't be stopped unless it in itself causes direct harm, or directly incites it. For example, calling on people to murder another, yelling bomb on a crowded plane, etc. Indirect violence caused by speech (such as reporting serial killer crimes, releasing information on innocent civilians killed by the United States which enrages local populations, etc) I do not believe warrants censorship.

    Is it evil to release documents showing illegal practices in a government if that means that bloody uprisings might follow?

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Still...you gotta admit...there wasnt too much concern as long as he was banging the anti Bush, anti war drums. But now that he has dragged the dems into the mix...why...we gotta shut em down!!!

    Newsflash...he is the same scumbag he always was...but he was YOUR scumbag...so...ya kinda liked him. Admit it...ya KNOW ya did.
    I've never wanted him shut down. Regardless of whether he's harming Bush's reputation or Obama's. It doesn't matter to me in the slightest who is in charge when the US does stuff like this, the politicians are equally responsible in either case. The Democrats don't have good intents in mind, they're looking to cover their political asses from a controversy, even if that controversy is justified. The Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans of this. They try to hide damaging information to THEM because they have power. What happened to the government being the people, and not some abstract, separate entity that enforces the interests of the political machine and corporate America? Transparency is the surest path to an accountable, honest government.

    If I had my way every ex-president alive would have some SERIOUS investigations placed over them delving into violations of international and domestic law. And I like it that way. Those in power need the greatest checks on their actions.

    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by blackraven View Post
    I really dont understand why idiots like this would do such things as this against your own country. He is now scare ****less and now hiding
    He's in hiding because half the world's governments want his head on a platter, as well as much of the international corporate world. In the United States he might just get a lot of hate from those in power and calls from some areas of society for him to be charged, but in China and a lot of the South American nations they're not so forgiving. He's running a serious risk to his personal safety, even if he's in hiding.
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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    I brought up a lot in my above comment. I'm still wondering how this is a good connection Beck forms between Wikileaks and George Soros, and why this matters.
    He's in hiding because half the world's governments want his head on a platter, as well as much of the international corporate world. In the United States he might just get a lot of hate from those in power and calls from some areas of society for him to be charged, but in China and a lot of the South American nations they're not so forgiving. He's running a serious risk to his personal safety, even if he's in hiding.
    See any others that fit the bill? Prolly who the post was intended for. Right?

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    See any others that fit the bill? Prolly who the post was intended for. Right?
    Sorry I didn't quite catch that, could you please rephrase if possible? Fit which bill? Which post?

    Sorry.

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    Re: WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange Tells TIME: Hillary Clinton 'Should Resign'

    I had to laugh last night watching the news. Talking about the UK police knowing where he was, they showed an archive clip of Assange in a city street. As the voiceover said "He is currently living somewhere in Southeast England", onscreen a big red double-decker London bus went by in the background...
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