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    Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Washington (CNN) -- Letting openly gay or lesbian troops serve in the military would have little lasting impact on the U.S. armed forces, a major Pentagon review has found, several sources familiar with the results told CNN Tuesday.

    Putting an end to "don't ask, don't tell" would have "some limited and isolated disruption to unit cohesion and retention," the year-long study found, but the effects would not be long-lasting or widespread.

    There will be some strong minority opposition, particularly in the Marines and some combat arms specialist units, said the chairs of the study, Defense Department General Counsel Jeh C. Johnson and Army Gen. Carter F. Ham.

    As many as 40 to 60 percent of troops in those units were against changing the 17-year-old policy that lets gay and lesbian troops serve as long as their sexual orientation is secret.

    Overall opposition throughout the military was about 30 percent -- roughly the same as it is in America as a whole, according to recent findings from CNN/Opinion Research Corp. and the Pew Forum.
    Gates: Report says most servicemen OK with gays serving openly - CNN.com

    How Obama and his administration choose to use this will be interesting, I understand it's a congressional thing, but he has a chance here to be a leader.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    But gay people are icky and I personally find the lifestyle uncomfortable!!!!!!

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    more like units expecting to see combat don't want to deal with the added trouble; which is why they poll so differently.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    I really don't know what the President can do aside from trying to get them to vote on it now. Which of course they won't do. It looks like if the President wants something done he will need to sign an executive order.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I really don't know what the President can do aside from trying to get them to vote on it now. Which of course they won't do. It looks like if the President wants something done he will need to sign an executive order.
    Not really familiar with the reach of such an order... could it actually get rid of DADT, or would it simply be a catalyst?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more like units expecting to see combat don't want to deal with the added trouble; which is why they poll so differently.
    Added troubgle? Like what?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not really familiar with the reach of such an order... could it actually get rid of DADT, or would it simply be a catalyst?
    I believe Obama can instruct them to not enforce it, but that could be reversed by a later president who might feel differently about the situation.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not really familiar with the reach of such an order... could it actually get rid of DADT, or would it simply be a catalyst?
    An executive order would get rid of DADT. The downside is the next president could issue an executive order basically taking away President Obama's thereby reinstating DADT.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I believe Obama can instruct them to not enforce it, but that could be reversed by a later president who might feel differently about the situation.
    Hence

    Presidential ping-pong over executive orders

    Presidential ping-pong over executive orders - Politics - White House - msnbc.com

    WASHINGTON — Washington's presidential ping-pong game plays out every four or eight years as incoming presidents reverse the policies of their predecessors.
    The new president can undo some of what his predecessor did, either through memoranda or executive orders, which are rules that a president can sign without waiting for Congress to legislate.
    Another round of the game will soon begin, as Democratic-allied interest groups urge President-elect Barack Obama to reverse some of the things President George W. Bush has done.
    Environmental advocacy groups like the Audubon Society want Obama to ban offshore oil or gas drilling off the Pacific or Atlantic coasts.
    Bush lifted an executive ban on such drilling last July, and Congress later let a legislatively-imposed ban lapse.
    “President Obama will have an opportunity to protect our beaches and coastal economies,” said Mike Daulton, legislative director at the Audubon Society.
    Makes sense now, thanks Mega

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Laws are like layers of fabric.

    An Executive Order would prevent the enforcement of the statute during the Bamster's presidency. An Executive Order would not end the effect of the statute.

    Congress would have to revoke the statute to end it's potential effect. A subsequent president could issue another Executive Order revoking the Bambster's EO, in which case the statute would be enforced.

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