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Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

Catz Part Deux said:
You cannot make the claim that gays are demanding special privileges and then not outline what those privileges are. The foundation of your argument is ridiculous.

Let me put it like this, dude: you're not that sexy.
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I did not say they are I said there will be more after DADT is gone just like civil unions is not acceptable to the gay community
 
OscarB63 said:
I have never been around a gay who wanted to discuss intimate details of their sex life. I don't see why they should have to lie about who they are dating/living with/whatever. Bring their "friend" to the company bar-b-q. they are not any more likely to start making out publically than a hetero couple.


I just don't get all the fear.
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I've worked with a lot of gay women over the years, in many different capacities. None have ever hit on me. I think it's that whole, "Don't play where you get paid" philosophy. The vast majority of people don't want to date the people they work with. Why would they?
 
ptif219 said:
I did not say they are I said there will be more after DADT is gone just like civil unions is not acceptable to the gay community
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You can't claim that they have all kinds of demands, then waffle. Your position is illogical and you are relying on the slippery slope fallacy to support it. Logic fail.
 
Redress said:
So having the same marriage as any one else is a special privilege now? Is gays being allowed to own property a special privilege too?
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Depend on your view. Is marriage a civil or religious ceramony? I got married by a notary but she still used Bible verses
 
OscarB63 said:
I have never been around a gay who wanted to discuss intimate details of their sex life. I don't see why they should have to lie about who they are dating/living with/whatever. Bring their "friend" to the company bar-b-q. they are not any more likely to start making out publically than a hetero couple.


I just don't get all the fear.
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It's not a big deal to me. I'm for what the troops are for. I didn't serve, so I don't think I have a right to make that decision for them.
 
roguenuke said:
Yes I can say that. I have already stated where I have experienced working with gay guys and gay women. Guess what? None of the open lesbians in my department ever came onto me, or any of the other girls in my department. None of the openly gay men in my department ever got reported or beat up for hitting on any of the straight guys in the department. In fact, during my entire time on the ship, no gay person ever went up on charges for sexual harassment, and we had CO mast results in the Plan of the Day, every day after a CO's mast.

Will there be some instances of gay guys hitting on straight guys? Most likely. Will it be every openly gay guy? I feel very confident in stating absolutely no. Because I know what my experiences were with openly gay personnel.

They want the same privileges that straight personnel are given. Being able to take their significant other to a military function and actually be able to proudly claim that person, whether others approve of the relationship or not. Being able to post pics and/or personnal info, that in no way harms the military, up on social networking sites without worrying that such things will get them discharged. Being able to make a commitment to a person they love in a ceremony that they don't have to hide, and share that with others they work with, without fearing being discharged. These are all things that straight people can do, two of these three are even highly encouraged, while gays would get kicked out for doing.
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So now you are saying because the few gays you know act a certain way all gays will act that way. You are sterotyping them and I find that not credibile
 
ptif219 said:
So now you are saying because the few gays you know act a certain way all gays will act that way. You are sterotyping them and I find that not credibile
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But when you stereotype gays/lesbians as horny idiots who can't keep their pants on while under fire, it's fine. :roll:
 
ptif219 said:
Depend on your view. Is marriage a civil or religious ceramony? I got married by a notary but she still used Bible verses
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Again does not address what I said in any way, shape, or form.
 
Erod said:
It's not a big deal to me. I'm for what the troops are for. I didn't serve, so I don't think I have a right to make that decision for them.
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And the troops are for repeal.
 
ptif219 said:
So now you are saying because the few gays you know act a certain way all gays will act that way. You are sterotyping them and I find that not credibile
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And you're not doing the same thing?
 
ptif219 said:
So now you are saying because the few gays you know act a certain way all gays will act that way. You are sterotyping them and I find that not credibile
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Says the guy comparing gays in the military with gay pride parades...
 
roguenuke said:
Yes I can say that. I have already stated where I have experienced working with gay guys and gay women. Guess what? None of the open lesbians in my department ever came onto me, or any of the other girls in my department. None of the openly gay men in my department ever got reported or beat up for hitting on any of the straight guys in the department. In fact, during my entire time on the ship, no gay person ever went up on charges for sexual harassment, and we had CO mast results in the Plan of the Day, every day after a CO's mast.

Will there be some instances of gay guys hitting on straight guys? Most likely. Will it be every openly gay guy? I feel very confident in stating absolutely no. Because I know what my experiences were with openly gay personnel.

They want the same privileges that straight personnel are given. Being able to take their significant other to a military function and actually be able to proudly claim that person, whether others approve of the relationship or not. Being able to post pics and/or personnal info, that in no way harms the military, up on social networking sites without worrying that such things will get them discharged. Being able to make a commitment to a person they love in a ceremony that they don't have to hide, and share that with others they work with, without fearing being discharged. These are all things that straight people can do, two of these three are even highly encouraged, while gays would get kicked out for doing.
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They are demanding to be seen as normal. That will not happen and they can not make laws to force people to accept their lifestyle.
 
ptif219 said:
They are demanding to be seen as normal. That will not happen and they can not make laws to force people to accept their lifestyle.
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No, they are asking to be treated the same as others under the law. Completely different.
 
ptif219 said:
So now you are saying because the few gays you know act a certain way all gays will act that way. You are sterotyping them and I find that not credibile
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You're the one who seems to think that all openly gay personnel will hit on people they work with, even some straight guys. I said that I am sure that not all of them will, although some of them most likely will. I am not the one stereotyping here.
 
ptif219 said:
I have seen people here say gays want not to hide what they are and do so they want the ability to flaunt it so every one knows
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Not hide does not mean flaunt. Not hide means to not have to hide. I don't hide my weight problems. I do not flaunt them.
 
I wonder how many experienced outdoorsy young recruits, the type that tend to flourish in the military, will choose not to join now?

San Francisco isn't exactly teaming with gun enthusiasts. LOL
 
Erod said:
Did the Pentagon poll the troops? I doubt it.
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Yes. ~2/3 said allowing gays to serve would have no effect or mixed effect on readiness.
 
roguenuke said:
Considering how much fighting it is taking to just be treated fairly, I don't see how you can believe that they could get support to actually get rules changed to treat them special, positively. This just really makes little sense.
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It appears they are succeding since DADT and gay marriage have become big political issues
 
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