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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's not how the mamby pamby "sexual harrassment" works in the military today. If a female walks past you and you look at her ass...that's harrassment if she is offended. If you make the statement "you look nice today" to the wrong person you can be looking at a SH charge. They have gone waaaaay freaking overboard with it. it is just plain stupid. Of course, most of the stupid cases get dropped but the accused still has to go through the pain in the ass of dealing with it.
    It take more than a look; she has to object. If that weren't the case they could make up ****.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    go ahead and repeal DADT. just because you can serve openly as gay, doesn't mean you have to. as long as you don't stand in the corner of the shower eyeing my junk and soaping yourself, I could care less. and that probably wouldn't even bother me. Just don't get your feelings hurt when you do something lame/weak or sissified and I call you gay. I think in most cases it is a non-issue. The kind of gay who will join the military is not typically going to be the flamer who wants to give blowjobs to every guy in the shower.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    go ahead and repeal DADT. just because you can serve openly as gay, doesn't mean you have to. as long as you don't stand in the corner of the shower eyeing my junk and soaping yourself, I could care less. and that probably wouldn't even bother me. Just don't get your feelings hurt when you do something lame/weak or sissified and I call you gay. I think in most cases it is a non-issue. The kind of gay who will join the military is not typically going to be the flamer who wants to give blowjobs to every guy in the shower.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    go ahead and repeal DADT. just because you can serve openly as gay, doesn't mean you have to. as long as you don't stand in the corner of the shower eyeing my junk and soaping yourself, I could care less. and that probably wouldn't even bother me. Just don't get your feelings hurt when you do something lame/weak or sissified and I call you gay. I think in most cases it is a non-issue. The kind of gay who will join the military is not typically going to be the flamer who wants to give blowjobs to every guy in the shower.
    Exactly! This isn't being driven by gay members of the military. They already KNOW. This is coming from the gay left gestapo, and they couldn't care less about the actual reality. Not to mention that this agenda driven group, probably haven't even served, EVER. It's ideological, not practical.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    If they were to hit on you I would expect you to report it. Just like I would expect a woman to report a man hitting on them.
    And that's not realistic. Men have two testicals and a penis and are not ruled by estrogen but testosterone, which is why primarily Men have fought wars and died, and women primarily did not. No self respecting man would be able to go to their CO and complain Prvt so and so is hitting on me in the shower and I can't make him stop. You might as well ask for a discharge yourself because you'll be a laughing stock pussy for the rest of your military career. No one will want you in their squad, no one will trust you, and it will most likely affect your ability to advance in rank. That p-file will follow you everywhere you go.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It take more than a look; she has to object. If that weren't the case they could make up ****.
    Some do make **** up and the same procedures are followed.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It take more than a look; she has to object. If that weren't the case they could make up ****.

    haven't been in the military recently I take it. As a commissioned officer, I have conducted numerous AR 15-6 investigations into allegations of sexual harrassment where "they made **** up". The problem is she/he can object at any time. it doesn't matter whether or not their objection has merit.

    I had one case where a female accused a guy of harrassment because he kept talking to her. did she ask him to stop? no. did she tell him it bothered her? no. did that stop her from coming to my office and wanting to file a formal complaint? no. did she change her mind even after I asked her the first two questions? no. did the officer assigned to do the investigation determine that she was harrassed? no. did it waste two weeks of the life of and embarrass the poor geek she accused? unfortunately yes.

    had another case where a group of females got together and conspired to get their NCO on harrassment charges. all of them "made **** up". the whole time the poor schlub is swearing on every bible he could find he didn't do anything. but it was his word against all of their's and they had rehearsed so that their stories matched. He only got off because one of them had an attack of conscience and admitted they made the whole thing up.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Exactly! This isn't being driven by gay members of the military. They already KNOW. This is coming from the gay left gestapo, and they couldn't care less about the actual reality. Not to mention that this agenda driven group, probably haven't even served, EVER. It's ideological, not practical.


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    yep seems the ones that are most vocal about getting "the right to serve" are those least likely to want to serve.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    haven't been in the military recently I take it. As a commissioned officer, I have conducted numerous AR 15-6 investigations into allegations of sexual harrassment where "they made **** up". The problem is she/he can object at any time. it doesn't matter whether or not their objection has merit.

    I had one case where a female accused a guy of harrassment because he kept talking to her. did she ask him to stop? no. did she tell him it bothered her? no. did that stop her from coming to my office and wanting to file a formal complaint? no. did she change her mind even after I asked her the first two questions? no. did the officer assigned to do the investigation determine that she was harrassed? no. did it waste two weeks of the life of and embarrass the poor geek she accused? unfortunately yes.

    had another case where a group of females got together and conspired to get their NCO on harrassment charges. all of them "made **** up". the whole time the poor schlub is swearing on every bible he could find he didn't do anything. but it was his word against all of their's and they had rehearsed so that their stories matched. He only got off because one of them had an attack of conscience and admitted they made the whole thing up.
    We all get the same sexual harassment training.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We all get the same sexual harassment training.
    then you should know that people can, do, will and will continue to "make **** up". I don't see the point you were trying to make
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