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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    So Obama has been fighting the repeal and you want him to flip flop. I am not surprised
    No, he has been fighting the courts doing it. Large, unsubtle difference. He actually campaigned on repealing DADT through congress.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And if they did hit on you? Then what?
    It will cause problems in the ranks which will hurt the trust factor needed to do their job

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And if they did hit on you? Then what?
    When I served, we were taught that hitting on another was OK, until they specifically asked us to stop. Continuing past then was harassment. I would assume it would work the same way. Gay hits on you, you ask them not to do it again, they continue, you report it, they go see the CO.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    When I served, we were taught that hitting on another was OK, until they specifically asked us to stop. Continuing past then was harassment. I would assume it would work the same way. Gay hits on you, you ask them not to do it again, they continue, you report it, they go see the CO.
    I see that working for the women, not the men.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I see that working for the women, not the men.
    Why? Not seeing the difference.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why? Not seeing the difference.
    Men don't run to the CO because a fellow man hit on them in the shower and continues to do it. Go ahead and ask me why.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    When I served, we were taught that hitting on another was OK, until they specifically asked us to stop. Continuing past then was harassment. I would assume it would work the same way. Gay hits on you, you ask them not to do it again, they continue, you report it, they go see the CO.
    that's not how the mamby pamby "sexual harrassment" works in the military today. If a female walks past you and you look at her ass...that's harrassment if she is offended. If you make the statement "you look nice today" to the wrong person you can be looking at a SH charge. They have gone waaaaay freaking overboard with it. it is just plain stupid. Of course, most of the stupid cases get dropped but the accused still has to go through the pain in the ass of dealing with it.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Men don't run to the CO because a fellow man hit on them in the shower and continues to do it. Go ahead and ask me why.
    yeah, they beat the **** out of him and he gets the message. either way...problem solved.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And if they did hit on you? Then what?
    If they were to hit on you I would expect you to report it. Just like I would expect a woman to report a man hitting on them.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Benning didn't in '86, Dineyland at Knox did in '88 and I don't remember much about the showers at Yokota Air Base for the 2 weeks I was there in 1990. But at the time, if someone was gay they didn't say or show a peep back then. If openly gay members are going to be openly gay, there will be problems... I don't believe the Army has progressed or the Marines have progressed to tolerance of that level. Sure, some individuals will be accepted but I have to think the majority will not. This could tear apart our military. Frankly, I don't want to know and back then, I probably REALLY wouldn't want to know.
    This is the reality. I personally am for Gays serving but NOT openly. I think that Clinton made the right compromise in DADT. The fact, despite what liberals turn a blind eye too, is that some branches, especially combat arms, are not going to take to this well. I haven't read the Pentagon report, and frankly I don't care what it says. I know how the military will react to his, and no glossing, or sugar coating by a dressed-down, Liberal incumbent CaC managed military can change that reality.

    When I served, we gave "blanket parties" to ANYONE that was different, or perceived to be weak. It happened all the damn time. Being openly gay, when I served, was a death warrant. One could say that "well then they're all homophobes".. yeah, maybe, but remember they're also between the age of 18 and 28 on average, and uber-testosterone filled boys, awash with ideas of killing a man in real life to defend their nation. I'd say it is recipe for disaster, potentially, and the powers that be, haven't really thought this through enough, IMO.

    The folks at the Pentagon are pencil pushers, disconnected from the boys on the ground, and in terms of this report, my guess it was delegated to some civillian agency anyway.

    Look, DADT being repealed isn't something MOST gay's in the military even want, coz they know the reality themselves. This is for the civillian gay agenda, and to inch themselves one step closer to full acceptance in society, and gay marriage.

    It's the wrong thing to do..


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