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Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

Heavy Duty said:
When in a combat MOS after the poop for the next day there was a rush to shower seeing the majority of the time we were dirty and hot. There was a waiting list where when one guy got out he would yell your name out so you could pop in.

Hell we would do alot of gayish things while showering like ass slapping and laughing at the dudes with the smallest junk. Were there gays involved? I am sure there was but they knew better than to admit it or show any type homosexual behavior. Why? First because they knew they would get the holy **** kicked out of them by the troops that didnt tolerance it and two it was a one way ticket to see the Old Man.

The troops that kicked the **** out of the soldiers they thought was gay I talked about earlier got 15 days of extra duty and barracks restriction. That's it. Even Top didn't think troops were to be seriously punished for beating a gay soldier. Today might be different but in the 90's many of heads were turned the other way when soldiers were accused of mistreating gay soldiers. The end of my career I didn't deal with many troops in a one on one situation and would hear stuff secondhand if at all. But I doubt after 20 years the mentally of combat troops servicing with gay troops haven't changed much.
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There are rules against discriminating against someone based on their sexuality or perceived sexuality now. The mentality has changed, and the more that these troops have to serve with openly gay men, the more the mentality will continue to change, mainly becoming more positive, as long as gay troops are treated by the upper ranks the same as the straight soldiers.

Yes, there will most likely be some people who will not want to work with gay troops. Those people will have to either suck it up, voluntarily get out, or cause enough problems to be forced to straighten up or get out. It is not any different than troops who don't like serving with people who are of a certain race or a different race than them. Or those soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain faiths, beliefs, or who are atheist. There are even soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain backgrounds or political ideologies or who date outside of their own race (this girl in bootcamp was friends with the black girls, but avoided me after seeing a pic of my black boyfriend). All these people have to deal with their prejudices. Sometimes problems come, but the quickest way to deal with those is to ensure that those who are committing violence against gays or who are proven to be discriminating against gays are punished for such actions. This change is going to require that those in higher up, command positions change their way of thinking too.
 
roguenuke said:
What trust issues would being gay cause they weren't just plain ignorance?

An openly gay guy who does their job and acts professionally should be shown the same amount of trust that a straight guy who acts the same way gets. It's really not that hard.

And, if a gay guy is constantly hitting on someone who has turned them down, then that guy needs to get punished and very possibly transferred. I can support transfers due to actions. Even changing the guy's job and/or possible discharge depending on how severe the incident was.

Every individual soldier should be judge on their own actions, not the actions of another person who has some identifying characteristic with that person. For instance, if you have a guy who is caught in women's barracks, stealing panties or worse, those who know of the incident shouldn't start automatically be mistrusting to other people who are the same race, in the same unit/job, or from the same state/city as that guy is. That is discrimination.
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Hitting on your fellow troops is not professional and will cause trust problems. I am sure straight soldiers do not want to hear details of gays sex life but this will open the door for that and gays will demand they be allowed to talk about it. As I have said it will not stop gays will always want more
 
OscarB63 said:
I have served two combat tours in Iraq, 1st tour we had a couple of dudes everyone suspected was gay, never had any "trust" issues with them on any of our patrols. 2nd tour we had at least one suspected gay guy and an entire squads worth of lesbian MPs (5 of 6 females in one platoon were carpet munchers). I went out on many missions with a lesbian gunner and gay driver, with a lesbian medic in the trail vehicle. never had any worries about them not being willing or able to do their job if the **** hit the fan.


this is a non-issue
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The difference is if DADT is repealed they will be different and may hit on you. Will you then be able to trust them.
 
Through all this, let us not forget that a soldiers' job is to kill as many people as he/she possibly can if the president says go to war and do so.

This isn't a book club.

People drawn to this line of work aren't always the most subtle people you've ever met. And thank God for that.
 
ptif219 said:
Hitting on your fellow troops is not professional and will cause trust problems. I am sure straight soldiers do not want to hear details of gays sex life but this will open the door for that and gays will demand they be allowed to talk about it. As I have said it will not stop gays will always want more
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dude, straight soldiers don't want to hear details of the fat ugly chick that PVT Boner nailed at the all ranks club either. I don't want to hear SGT Juicyjugs talking about how hard her hubby let her have it last night or what she did with that cucumber either. I don't want to listen to SPC Lonelyguy talk about the granny porn he jerked off to over the weekend.

all this crap is much ado about nothing.
 
CriticalThought said:
It's weird how this is beginning to mirror allowing women to serve. If this is the only complaint, then DADT can be repealed and gays who choose to come out can be moved to non combat positions. This really isn't an argument against repeal of DADT.
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Then what would be the point of repeal if they can not do combat jobs?
 
OscarB63 said:
dude, straight soldiers don't want to hear details of the fat ugly chick that PVT Boner nailed at the all ranks club either. I don't want to hear SGT Juicyjugs talking about how hard her hubby let her have it last night or what she did with that cucumber either. I don't want to listen to SPC Lonelyguy talk about the granny porn he jerked off to over the weekend.

all this crap is much ado about nothing.
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What about SRA hot lips, and A1C jugs? :mrgreen:
 
ptif219 said:
The difference is if DADT is repealed they will be different and may hit on you. Will you then be able to trust them.
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I've had females hit on me in the past. didn't stop me from trusting them.

IMHO a gay soldier is like a female soldier...only without the tits. :lamo
 
roguenuke said:
There are rules against discriminating against someone based on their sexuality or perceived sexuality now. The mentality has changed, and the more that these troops have to serve with openly gay men, the more the mentality will continue to change, mainly becoming more positive, as long as gay troops are treated by the upper ranks the same as the straight soldiers.

Yes, there will most likely be some people who will not want to work with gay troops. Those people will have to either suck it up, voluntarily get out, or cause enough problems to be forced to straighten up or get out. It is not any different than troops who don't like serving with people who are of a certain race or a different race than them. Or those soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain faiths, beliefs, or who are atheist. There are even soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain backgrounds or political ideologies or who date outside of their own race (this girl in bootcamp was friends with the black girls, but avoided me after seeing a pic of my black boyfriend). All these people have to deal with their prejudices. Sometimes problems come, but the quickest way to deal with those is to ensure that those who are committing violence against gays or who are proven to be discriminating against gays are punished for such actions. This change is going to require that those in higher up, command positions change their way of thinking too.
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Depends on the gays attitude and how much they feel they have to flaunt what they do in their bedrooms
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What about SRA hot lips, and A1C jugs? :mrgreen:
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well, I must admit I did enjoy the story one of my female troops told about seeing/hearing another female in the shower with her plastic battle buddy.
 
ptif219 said:
Hitting on your fellow troops is not professional and will cause trust problems. I am sure straight soldiers do not want to hear details of gays sex life but this will open the door for that and gays will demand they be allowed to talk about it. As I have said it will not stop gays will always want more
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Not every openly gay guy is going to hit on their fellow soldiers. In fact, I say any soldier/marine/sailor who hits another servicemember while on duty, is not acting very professionally. However, off duty, it would depend on whether or not they are willing to accept no for an answer and whether or not it is reasonable to believe that the other person may have been interested.

I personally don't really want to hear details about anyone's sex lives, gay or straight. I have listened to it though, and even come to feel comfortable with talking about such things in certain situations. But considering such talk, whether from a gay or straight person, can be considered sexual harassment, especially if someone has told the person not to talk about such things, such demands would not be likely. It is not reasonable to assume that gays will be allowed to make demands that go against other rules in the military. They are asking for fairness, not special favor.
 
OscarB63 said:
dude, straight soldiers don't want to hear details of the fat ugly chick that PVT Boner nailed at the all ranks club either. I don't want to hear SGT Juicyjugs talking about how hard her hubby let her have it last night or what she did with that cucumber either. I don't want to listen to SPC Lonelyguy talk about the granny porn he jerked off to over the weekend.

all this crap is much ado about nothing.
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Is it? We shall see but it seems when gays get an inch it is never enough. Look at how their parades disgust people because they have to flaunt sexuality and nudity.
 
OscarB63 said:
I've had females hit on me in the past. didn't stop me from trusting them.

IMHO a gay soldier is like a female soldier...only without the tits. :lamo
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Wrong. Do those women serve with you and see you as a sexual object that could put your life in danger in a combat situation
 
OscarB63 said:
if you are a guy and another guy is bothering you and you ask/tell him to stop and he doesn't....don't cry to daddy. MAKE him stop.
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It's funny how women have mastered this, and yet it poses such a problem for some heteromen. Maybe they need to grow a vagina.
 
ptif219 said:
Depends on the gays attitude and how much they feel they have to flaunt what they do in their bedrooms
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They can only flaunt things to within what is allowed and deemed acceptable by sexual harassment rules. Sexual harassment rules apply to everyone. A straight/gay man/woman can bring a straight woman or man, or a gay woman or man up on sexual harassment charges. It doesn't matter what the sexuality or sex of the offender or the offended is when it comes to sexual harassment. Anyone can file charges against anyone else, (preferrably they are doing so only with a legitimate complaint though).
 
roguenuke said:
Not every openly gay guy is going to hit on their fellow soldiers. In fact, I say any soldier/marine/sailor who hits another servicemember while on duty, is not acting very professionally. However, off duty, it would depend on whether or not they are willing to accept no for an answer and whether or not it is reasonable to believe that the other person may have been interested.

I personally don't really want to hear details about anyone's sex lives, gay or straight. I have listened to it though, and even come to feel comfortable with talking about such things in certain situations. But considering such talk, whether from a gay or straight person, can be considered sexual harassment, especially if someone has told the person not to talk about such things, such demands would not be likely. It is not reasonable to assume that gays will be allowed to make demands that go against other rules in the military. They are asking for fairness, not special favor.
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You can say they will not do this? You must be a mind reader. They want special privileges and want the military rules changed. How does DADT stop them from performing their military duties?
 
ptif219 said:
You can say they will not do this? You must be a mind reader. They want special privileges and want the military rules changed. How does DADT stop them from performing their military duties?
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What special privileges do gays want? Give us a list.
 
roguenuke said:
They can only flaunt things to within what is allowed and deemed acceptable by sexual harassment rules. Sexual harassment rules apply to everyone. A straight/gay man/woman can bring a straight woman or man, or a gay woman or man up on sexual harassment charges. It doesn't matter what the sexuality or sex of the offender or the offended is when it comes to sexual harassment. Anyone can file charges against anyone else, (preferrably they are doing so only with a legitimate complaint though).
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We shall see. They will then want those rules changed also. If they followed the rules now not so many would get discharged for being gay
 
Catz Part Deux said:
WTF? Seriously? Yes, we just walk around viewing men as sex objects and putting their lives at risk. :lamo:
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Well a fine filly the other day did almost have a wreck staring at the Awesomeness that is the Good Reverend. :pimpdaddy:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
WTF? Seriously? Yes, we just walk around viewing men as sex objects and putting their lives at risk. :lamo:
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You seem to not comprehend the trust factor needed for combat. If a gay hits on me I will wonder if he will do his job and protect me in combat after I tell him to stop hitting on me. Will that rejection affect his attitude in a combat situation?
 
ptif219 said:
Wrong. Do those women serve with you and see you as a sexual object that could put your life in danger in a combat situation
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dude, ALL women see me as a sexual object. That is just how awesome I am. I even make straight guys hot.
 
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