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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is a total of zero evidence that allowing gays to serve openly would "tear apart our military". Absolutely none. In fact, based on the DoD review and the evidence from other services that have allowed gays to serve openly, there is a mountain of evidence that it will not tear apart our military. To suggest it will is pure emotional rhetoric.
    Yeah well, even back then I wasn't a big fan of the DoD and their evidence. All I can relate this to is my personal experience and I can tell you my platoon wouldn't have looked kindly on an openly gay soldier, period. When you can't trust someone to watch your back - both figuratively and physically, it's going to cause problems. To suggest everything is just hunky-dory with openly gay men in the Army and Marines is pure ignorance. If that were the case, we wouldn't be discussing it and the JCoS and DoD would have dispensed with DADT a long time ago, but we both know that didn't happen.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I was chaptered out as gay. The whole platoon knew. I still showered openly with them. Only 1-2 of 40 had a problem.
    When did this happen? What year I mean.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yeah well, even back then I wasn't a big fan of the DoD and their evidence. All I can relate this to is my personal experience and I can tell you my platoon wouldn't have looked kindly on an openly gay soldier, period. When you can't trust someone to watch your back - both figuratively and physically, it's going to cause problems. To suggest everything is just hunky-dory with openly gay men in the Army and Marines is pure ignorance. If that were the case, we wouldn't be discussing it and the JCoS and DoD would have dispensed with DADT a long time ago, but we both know that didn't happen.
    There is a difference between "hunky dory", which no one is suggesting, and significant unsolvable problems. As the DoD stated, there will be some small short term problems. This is true of pretty much any change in military policy.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    When did this happen? What year I mean.
    Ahh yes, true, I haven't read the whole thread this was only 3 years ago or so.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Ahh yes, true, I haven't read the whole thread this was only 3 years ago or so.
    Well, that actually lends credibility to Redress's argument that now it may not be such a big deal. It's been 20 years since my active service. I just have a hard time accepting things have changed that much.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, that actually lends credibility to Redress's argument that now it may not be such a big deal. It's been 20 years since my active service. I just have a hard time accepting things have changed that much.

    20 years ago I never would have thought gays would be getting married with recognition from the State. A lot has changed in the last 20 years.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well, that actually lends credibility to Redress's argument that now it may not be such a big deal. It's been 20 years since my active service. I just have a hard time accepting things have changed that much.
    I think this is something the older generations don't seem to understand how little it matters to people in my generation. I think as a generation we have come to the understanding that just because we are in a shower with a gay guy it doesn't mean they are hitting on us. Sure, they may sneak a look, but lets be honest, as straight guys we sneak a look down a girl's shirt when we can.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Gates: Report says most servicemen OK with gays serving openly - CNN.com

    How Obama and his administration choose to use this will be interesting, I understand it's a congressional thing, but he has a chance here to be a leader.
    So Obama has been fighting the repeal and you want him to flip flop. I am not surprised

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I think this is something the older generations don't seem to understand how little it matters to people in my generation. I think as a generation we have come to the understanding that just because we are in a shower with a gay guy it doesn't mean they are hitting on us. Sure, they may sneak a look, but lets be honest, as straight guys we sneak a look down a girl's shirt when we can.
    And if they did hit on you? Then what?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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