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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I would agree with all of that, with only one more request which would give hetero service members the option of showering with the opposite sex they are sexually attracted to, in order to have the sames rights as gay people will have, by being openly gay in the military. Universal showers and then we have a deal...
    Still doesn't work. Gays shower with straights now. Men and women do not shower together now.

    The only difference that will come from allowing gays to serve openly will be that, some straights that didn't know about some of the gays that worked with them might now know. The amount of attraction a gay guy has for a straight guy in his unit will not magically change if he is allowed to say he is gay without fear of discharge. The gay guy will not magically physically change into a different gender or start having a monthly cycle. Gay girls will not grow a penis or start having to shave off facial hair (if they didn't have to already).
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    Nothing in particular. Where do you stand on the issue being discussed in this thread?
    I remember when DADT was instituted by the Clinton administration. It a compromise to the full ban on gays serving in the military. Honestly, I think it's a reasonable compromise. What I don't get is that gays claim they just want their private life to remain that way and that they want the government to stay out of their bedrooms. You remember that, right? So why now, when it comes to the military do they seek to trumpet their gayness?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    I remember when DADT was instituted by the Clinton administration. It a compromise to the full ban on gays serving in the military. Honestly, I think it's a reasonable compromise. What I don't get is that gays claim they just want their private life to remain that way and that they want the government to stay out of their bedrooms. You remember that, right? So why now, when it comes to the military do they seek to trumpet their gayness?
    Where are they saying that they want to "trumpet" their gayness? Heterosexuals can state they are heterosexual without being discharged. When they do are they "trumpeting" their straightness?
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    Still doesn't work. Gays shower with straights now. Men and women do not shower together now.

    The only difference that will come from allowing gays to serve openly will be that, some straights that didn't know about some of the gays that worked with them might now know. The amount of attraction a gay guy has for a straight guy in his unit will not magically change if he is allowed to say he is gay without fear of discharge. The gay guy will not magically physically change into a different gender or start having a monthly cycle. Gay girls will not grow a penis or start having to shave off facial hair (if they didn't have to already).
    It does work, because gays do not shower with straights "right now" as openly gay. Gay people if DADT is repealed will have extra rights, above straights. Why not give straights the same privilege to shower with eachother, if equality is what we are seeking here???
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Military heads say no.

    My Way News - Army, Marine chiefs cast doubt on gay service

    The top uniformed officers of the Army and the Marines say letting gays serve openly in the military at a time of war would be divisive and difficult, sharply challenging a new Pentagon study that calculates the risk as low.

    Their assessment, expected Friday at a Senate hearing, was likely to become political ammunition for Arizona Sen. John McCain and other Republicans fighting to keep Congress from repealing the 1993 law that prohibits gays from acknowledging their sexual orientation. Democrats have promised a vote this month to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" law, although its chances of passing this year were considered dim.

    "If the law is changed, successfully implementing repeal and assimilating openly homosexual Marines into the tightly woven fabric of our combat units has strong potential for disruption at the small unit level, as it will no doubt divert leadership attention away from an almost singular focus of preparing units for combat," the Marine commandant, Gen. James Amos, said in remarks prepared for delivery to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    exactly what i've been saying. it's the combat units that suffer here.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    It does work, because gays do not shower with straights "right now" as openly gay. Gay people if DADT is repealed will have extra rights, above straights. Why not give straights the same privilege to shower with eachother, if equality is what we are seeking here???
    Wrong. Gay men are not female. Gay women are not male. Gay men do not have the same parts as women. Gay women do not have the same parts as men. Women have periods, men don't. Women can get pregnant, if there happened to be an affair between a man and a woman who did live together. Gay men can't. And two gay women can't either. Women do not normally share bathrooms and/or public showers with men, no matter what the sexuality of the men or women are, in civilian life. Gay men and women share bathrooms and showers (lockerrooms) with other members of their same sex all the time in civilian life.

    Gay men and women share the same shower spaces now with people that they might be attracted to in the military. Do you somehow believe that those gay men and women will suddenly become more likely to commit assault simply because they can tell people that they are gay? That doesn't make one bit of sense. Would you be more likely to commit assault against a woman who thought you were gay but then found out/realized you were heterosexual just because she might have believed before that you liked men, and now she finds out that you really might have been attracted to her? Do you think a lot of men are any more likely to commit assault or even hit on the woman than they were before she knew that they might really be attracted to her?
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    exactly what i've been saying. it's the combat units that suffer here.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    I am afraid that one this openly gay people are allowed to serve there will be a number of tragedies.

    I also think it just might negatively effect recruitment.

    I have no clue what the solution is.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. Gay men are not female. Gay women are not male. Gay men do not have the same parts as women. Gay women do not have the same parts as men. Women have periods, men don't. Women can get pregnant, if there happened to be an affair between a man and a woman who did live together. Gay men can't. And two gay women can't either. Women do not normally share bathrooms and/or public showers with men, no matter what the sexuality of the men or women are, in civilian life. Gay men and women share bathrooms and showers (lockerrooms) with other members of their same sex all the time in civilian life.

    Gay men and women share the same shower spaces now with people that they might be attracted to in the military. Do you somehow believe that those gay men and women will suddenly become more likely to commit assault simply because they can tell people that they are gay? That doesn't make one bit of sense. Would you be more likely to commit assault against a woman who thought you were gay but then found out/realized you were heterosexual just because she might have believed before that you liked men, and now she finds out that you really might have been attracted to her? Do you think a lot of men are any more likely to commit assault or even hit on the woman than they were before she knew that they might really be attracted to her?
    The key issue here is that gay people are being given extra rights basically to be in their own fantasy land serving openly with the sex they are attracted too but yet straight men and women are kept separate from eachother. In all fairness, we need to mix men and women together to be equal here. It does matter that gay joe and jane are open now in the showers because it would make staight joe and jane uncomfortable the same way it would with our current social norms that keep the opposite sex separate from eachother. There is no difference.

    It makes more sense to just make all gay units. Problem solved. If you want to serve your country and are just as patriotic, lobby for that?
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