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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    And the troops are for repeal.
    most of the troops don't give a **** one way or the other. so technically they are not "for" the repeal, nor are they against it. they really don't care.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    Mine would be being that old person.
    You aren't?
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You miss the point of the trust factor in combat. I take it you know nothing of military life
    I served in the 82nd Airborne. So I know a bit. And there is nothing you've presented that would suggest to me any trust would be violated. Women can still trust a man who asks and she says no to. What is so different about males that they can't do the same? This is what I'd like explained to me. What does it have to do with trust at all?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Most conservatives are liberals that have just grown too old, lost their mind, and have difficulty forming logic.

    As for the DADT, hopefully this is repealed rather quickly given the Pentagon's facts and studies.
    logic?

    LOL!

    well, aside aristotelian abstractions, here on earth, as has been shown, dadt isn't a lame duck, it's dead, congressionally speaking, that is

    as for the courts, obama's doj is APPEALING the california court's ruling against the ban

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    do you remember when holder's homies argued that gay marriage was analagous to incest and having relations with a 16 year old?

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    that's ugliness, not logic

    it is what it is, syllogism or no

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    go slow, do it in congress...

    but hurry!

    LOL!

    no wonder larry kramer said what he said

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    sorry

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Hey look, random links that don't address the topic at all and have been refuted before. Obama has stated, consistently, that the repeal of DADT should come from legislation, not the courts. Damn him for being consistent and wanting to do something the best way...
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Hey look, random links that don't address the topic at all and have been refuted before. Obama has stated, consistently, that the repeal of DADT should come from legislation, not the courts. Damn him for being consistent and wanting to do something the best way...


    Consistent with whom? weren't blacks integrated with an EO?
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Consistent with whom? weren't blacks integrated with an EO?
    Consistent with his own statements. I don't like it, and think he should just end it today, but he is being consistent.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Consistent with whom? weren't blacks integrated with an EO?
    Obama's position has been consistent. He has said all along that this should be done by the legislative branch, which I agree with. Laws should be made and changed by them.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    larry kramer: mr do nothing obama, really useless on gay issues, exceedingly large disappointment, simply not a leader

    here's why

    In 1993, President Bill Clinton nearly derailed his presidency with an early move to end the military’s ban on gay service members. Aides scrambled to craft the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy as a compromise to get the politically radioactive issue off the new administration’s back.

    President Barack Obama’s aides were intent, above all else, on not repeating that experience when it came to carrying out their campaign promise to open up the military to gays, so they moved cautiously.

    The result: Obama now faces his own political crisis over the issue that threatens his support from key Democratic constituencies, undermines his relationship with the Pentagon and puts him in the odd position of defending a practice he has denounced as discriminatory and harmful to national security.

    “It’s crazy that all this is happening 2˝ weeks before a national election,” said Richard Socarides, an adviser to Clinton on gay issues during the ’93 fiasco. “The timing could not be worse for them, but it was fairly predictable that their strategy of postponing and delaying getting into this stuff was, at some point, going to come back to haunt them.”

    The White House’s Plan A involved a Pentagon study for release in December 2010, followed by legislation thereafter. But in May, advocates won the White House’s public support for conditional repeal legislation that attempted to work around the next-Congress problem by giving Obama, the defense secretary and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs power to end the policy when the studies were complete.

    Even that contingent plan was awkward for the White House, since it upended Obama’s initial agreement with Gates, who faces service chiefs staunchly opposed to repeal. “It started getting real messy,” said one person close to the talks. “The president was in a very tough spot.”
    Obama?s go-slow 'don't ask, don't tell' plan backfires - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    why did holder's doj compare gay marriage to incest and sex with 16 year olds?

    try to stay up

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This would be a horrible policy. I guarantee that you would have some people getting out just because they could. Many of those would care less about the policy.

    If someone is uncomfortable with a change in military policy that allows gays to serve openly that makes them not want to serve anymore, then they can either wait til their time is up and just not reenlist.

    No one joined the military with a quarantee that policies would never change. And no one has joined the military in this day and age without knowing DADT was in place, and that they very well may have to serve with a gay person.
    I would agree with all of that, with only one more request which would give hetero service members the option of showering with the opposite sex they are sexually attracted to, in order to have the sames rights as gay people will have, by being openly gay in the military. Universal showers and then we have a deal...
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