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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    believe what you want, they want to be seen and accepted as normal
    Seeing as how homosexuals as a group are entirely normal, rational, and autonomous human beings, only ignorance and stupidity would keep anyone from recognizing them as normal.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What benefits?
    Your kidding us right?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not the same thing is it. If they serve, they have a right to be treated the same.



    Equal protection, once they are in? I see your point and agree. That said, congress I thought decided, that service was not a constitutional right and therefore can deny entry based on any of a number of factors.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Equal protection, once they are in? I see your point and agree. That said, congress I thought decided, that service was not a constitutional right and therefore can deny entry based on any of a number of factors.
    Correct. That is not the situation now, as gays are allowed to serve, but only under unequal protection.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Legally accepted. They cannot if they wanted to make every one feel they are normal.
    That is why GLSEN is helping to teach it to the children

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Part of being in the military is having a built in support group. When some one goes through something like that, they have people to talk to and friends to share with who are close. Unless you are gay of course, in which case you can't mention it...
    Must be new we did not have that in the 70's

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They may have been seen at the mall holding hands with some one of the same sex(that's a tell according to the rules).

    They may have been drunk and let slip they had a boyfriend/girlfriend of the same sex.

    They may have quietly gotten married in one of the states that allows it.

    They may have had some one look over their shoulder at emails to their partner.
    Nice spin I doubt that was the main reason after all there were thousands

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Equal protection.
    Explain please

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Normal is so subjective that trying to base laws on someone's definition of normal is never wise. And yes, LGBT Americans are being denied marriage, and military service.
    Churches will marry gays and no they were not denied military service they had to obey the rules like everyone else. We had a woman discharged when I was in for prostitution

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Are you aware that many straits used DADT as an easy way to get out of their enlistment contract? Not happy with your enlistment, go to your CO, say "I am gay" and get an honorable if you have at least 6 months, else a general.
    You have proof and what percentage do that

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