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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

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    more like units expecting to see combat don't want to deal with the added trouble; which is why they poll so differently.
    And yet even with them it's not strong opposition, more in the realm of 50 %.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Its time to stop the right-wing from using our military as their last bastion of their anti-gay agenda. They know that gay marriage is forthcoming and are trying desperately to hold onto the military as their last hope.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its time to stop the right-wing from using our military as their last bastion of their anti-gay agenda. They know that gay marriage is forthcoming and are trying desperately to hold onto the military as their last hope.
    To be fair dude, it was Bill Clintons baby

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    more like units expecting to see combat don't want to deal with the added trouble; which is why they poll so differently.
    I read this article.

    After strong appeal from Pentagon, opponents of ‘Don’t ask’ repeal ponder next move - Yahoo! News

    Notice this little tidbit of info:

    Among Marines and other specialty combat troops, resistance to openly gay service is higher than the overall average of 30 percent. Between 40 and 60 percent of combat troops say they think repealing the policy will be bad for troop morale. (Opposition is lower among troops who say they have served with a gay comrade before.) Military chaplains are also very strongly opposed.
    This tells me that many of them are afraid of the unknown. This essentially confirms for me that due to their environment and, possibly some of their own biases, those troops don't know what changes will come, so it scares them. They know what they have been told, by the act itself, by McCain, by the Marine Corps Cmdt, but most of those troops have never actually served with someone they knew was gay.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    To be fair dude, it was Bill Clintons baby
    Clinton actually wanted to let gays serve openly, DADT was a compromise forced on him by Congress. And he has since supported the repeal of the policy.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    We have heard many people (both on this board and in Congress) urging that we don't repeal DADT until the results of this study were in, and not unless it showed that the military approved. Now the results ARE in. Will they finally change their minds? Maybe a few of them...but let's not kid ourselves here. Most of the people who support DADT never gave a damn about how it would affect the military; they just personally thought boys kissing was icky. What's the next roadblock the homophobes want to impose? What's the next excuse why we need another year of studying the issue before the discriminatory law can be overturned?
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We have heard many people (both on this board and in Congress) urging that we don't repeal DADT until the results of this study were in, and not unless it showed that the military approved. Now the results ARE in. Will they finally change their minds? Maybe a few of them...but let's not kid ourselves here. Most of the people who support DADT never gave a damn about how it would affect the military; they just personally thought boys kissing was icky. What's the next roadblock the homophobes want to impose? What's the next excuse why we need another year of studying the issue before the discriminatory law can be overturned?
    Maybe gay soldiers thrown out of the military can find work helping John McCain move his goalposts around.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    My guess is that even as the Defense community has now spoken decisively on the issue and other Armed Forces from overseas have had no major difficulties with similar policies, the law likely won't be overturned anytime soon. Express concern for the views of the Defense community from the DADT policy's supporters were largely packaging that temporarily masked what are really fundamental social positions. Their hope had been that the Pentagon's study would reaffirm their positions. In the wake of the report, the policy's supporters will likely attempt to discount or delegitimize the Pentagon's study i.e., claim that it isn't sufficiently thorough/representative or that it is subject to other inherent flaws that undermine its conclusions. They will also likely raise procedural hurdles e.g., citing more pressing policy matters in seeking delays in Congressional consideration of the issue.

    IMO, the current policy should be overturned. Such a development would be consistent with providing all Americans equal opportunity and it would entail no serious risks to the performance of the nation's Armed Services.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    I think there is strong evidence that a majority support to allow homesxuals to serve openly. I suspect, however, that congress is worried that the minority will be more vocal, more willing to vote than the majority. I suspect this is what has and and continues to slow this down, not to mention why McCain keeps moving his goal posts.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    No study was necessary in the first place. I think it is kind of sick that people would support bigotry in the name of "military effectiveness." The same sort of argument was used when the military was segregated by Jim Crow laws, and it is just as morally invalid then as it is now.

    I agree with some of the above posts that it is shameful that the military is being used as a political football. Shame on the Republicans for playing politics with our troops.

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