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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    When in a combat MOS after the poop for the next day there was a rush to shower seeing the majority of the time we were dirty and hot. There was a waiting list where when one guy got out he would yell your name out so you could pop in.

    Hell we would do alot of gayish things while showering like ass slapping and laughing at the dudes with the smallest junk. Were there gays involved? I am sure there was but they knew better than to admit it or show any type homosexual behavior. Why? First because they knew they would get the holy **** kicked out of them by the troops that didnt tolerance it and two it was a one way ticket to see the Old Man.

    The troops that kicked the **** out of the soldiers they thought was gay I talked about earlier got 15 days of extra duty and barracks restriction. That's it. Even Top didn't think troops were to be seriously punished for beating a gay soldier. Today might be different but in the 90's many of heads were turned the other way when soldiers were accused of mistreating gay soldiers. The end of my career I didn't deal with many troops in a one on one situation and would hear stuff secondhand if at all. But I doubt after 20 years the mentally of combat troops servicing with gay troops haven't changed much.
    There are rules against discriminating against someone based on their sexuality or perceived sexuality now. The mentality has changed, and the more that these troops have to serve with openly gay men, the more the mentality will continue to change, mainly becoming more positive, as long as gay troops are treated by the upper ranks the same as the straight soldiers.

    Yes, there will most likely be some people who will not want to work with gay troops. Those people will have to either suck it up, voluntarily get out, or cause enough problems to be forced to straighten up or get out. It is not any different than troops who don't like serving with people who are of a certain race or a different race than them. Or those soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain faiths, beliefs, or who are atheist. There are even soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain backgrounds or political ideologies or who date outside of their own race (this girl in bootcamp was friends with the black girls, but avoided me after seeing a pic of my black boyfriend). All these people have to deal with their prejudices. Sometimes problems come, but the quickest way to deal with those is to ensure that those who are committing violence against gays or who are proven to be discriminating against gays are punished for such actions. This change is going to require that those in higher up, command positions change their way of thinking too.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What trust issues would being gay cause they weren't just plain ignorance?

    An openly gay guy who does their job and acts professionally should be shown the same amount of trust that a straight guy who acts the same way gets. It's really not that hard.

    And, if a gay guy is constantly hitting on someone who has turned them down, then that guy needs to get punished and very possibly transferred. I can support transfers due to actions. Even changing the guy's job and/or possible discharge depending on how severe the incident was.

    Every individual soldier should be judge on their own actions, not the actions of another person who has some identifying characteristic with that person. For instance, if you have a guy who is caught in women's barracks, stealing panties or worse, those who know of the incident shouldn't start automatically be mistrusting to other people who are the same race, in the same unit/job, or from the same state/city as that guy is. That is discrimination.
    Hitting on your fellow troops is not professional and will cause trust problems. I am sure straight soldiers do not want to hear details of gays sex life but this will open the door for that and gays will demand they be allowed to talk about it. As I have said it will not stop gays will always want more

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have served two combat tours in Iraq, 1st tour we had a couple of dudes everyone suspected was gay, never had any "trust" issues with them on any of our patrols. 2nd tour we had at least one suspected gay guy and an entire squads worth of lesbian MPs (5 of 6 females in one platoon were carpet munchers). I went out on many missions with a lesbian gunner and gay driver, with a lesbian medic in the trail vehicle. never had any worries about them not being willing or able to do their job if the **** hit the fan.


    this is a non-issue
    The difference is if DADT is repealed they will be different and may hit on you. Will you then be able to trust them.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Through all this, let us not forget that a soldiers' job is to kill as many people as he/she possibly can if the president says go to war and do so.

    This isn't a book club.

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Hitting on your fellow troops is not professional and will cause trust problems. I am sure straight soldiers do not want to hear details of gays sex life but this will open the door for that and gays will demand they be allowed to talk about it. As I have said it will not stop gays will always want more
    dude, straight soldiers don't want to hear details of the fat ugly chick that PVT Boner nailed at the all ranks club either. I don't want to hear SGT Juicyjugs talking about how hard her hubby let her have it last night or what she did with that cucumber either. I don't want to listen to SPC Lonelyguy talk about the granny porn he jerked off to over the weekend.

    all this crap is much ado about nothing.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's weird how this is beginning to mirror allowing women to serve. If this is the only complaint, then DADT can be repealed and gays who choose to come out can be moved to non combat positions. This really isn't an argument against repeal of DADT.
    Then what would be the point of repeal if they can not do combat jobs?

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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, straight soldiers don't want to hear details of the fat ugly chick that PVT Boner nailed at the all ranks club either. I don't want to hear SGT Juicyjugs talking about how hard her hubby let her have it last night or what she did with that cucumber either. I don't want to listen to SPC Lonelyguy talk about the granny porn he jerked off to over the weekend.

    all this crap is much ado about nothing.


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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    The difference is if DADT is repealed they will be different and may hit on you. Will you then be able to trust them.
    I've had females hit on me in the past. didn't stop me from trusting them.

    IMHO a gay soldier is like a female soldier...only without the tits.
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I've had females hit on me in the past. didn't stop me from trusting them.

    IMHO a gay soldier is like a female soldier...only without the tits.

    and a penis!
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    Re: Pentagon: Letting openly gay troops serve won't hurt military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are rules against discriminating against someone based on their sexuality or perceived sexuality now. The mentality has changed, and the more that these troops have to serve with openly gay men, the more the mentality will continue to change, mainly becoming more positive, as long as gay troops are treated by the upper ranks the same as the straight soldiers.

    Yes, there will most likely be some people who will not want to work with gay troops. Those people will have to either suck it up, voluntarily get out, or cause enough problems to be forced to straighten up or get out. It is not any different than troops who don't like serving with people who are of a certain race or a different race than them. Or those soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain faiths, beliefs, or who are atheist. There are even soldiers who don't want to work with people of certain backgrounds or political ideologies or who date outside of their own race (this girl in bootcamp was friends with the black girls, but avoided me after seeing a pic of my black boyfriend). All these people have to deal with their prejudices. Sometimes problems come, but the quickest way to deal with those is to ensure that those who are committing violence against gays or who are proven to be discriminating against gays are punished for such actions. This change is going to require that those in higher up, command positions change their way of thinking too.
    Depends on the gays attitude and how much they feel they have to flaunt what they do in their bedrooms

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