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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I guess it takes talent and intellect to figure out the quote system. Don't let me down.





    No confused with one who lives not under a bridge.







    Anything on the topic or are you just attempting to derail. I provided you with law, you lied and stated i provided no evidence, I provided you with links. you lied and said I had no evidence.


    Post an honest reply and I might respond to you again my statist friend.
    First, if you meant TROLL, you need to learn to either type better or spell better.

    Second, I will quote you any way I want to quote as long as it is your words. If I only need a line I will copy and paste that line. If I want the whole thing, I will use the feature.

    Third, you claiming to have provided evidence does not equate to providing evidence. When you make big boasts like the government has a problem and then fail to back it up with any statistics to show it and instead put the crap that you did there and even that contradicted your boast, it is you who look foolish.

    You want to talk about somedoing doing damage and a disservice to gun owners? That would be you trying to take an isolated case involving a possible lousy judge and turning it into the current right wing cause celebre.

    But please, be my guest. Just learn about evidence and supporting your claims and provide some.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Under McDonald he might well get a reversal. since NJ issues normal capacity (15-17) round magazines to their police officers, that state cannot be heard that such magazines are not common or normal which was the thrust of the Heller decision which was then applied via the 14th to the states



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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    I would note that felons in possession of firearms rarely get a federal sentence that long. No one witout an underlying felony conviction should ever be punished for merely possessing common firearms and common bullets. NJ's law is an abomination and If this man's life is ruined by such idiotic laws I would not find it morally repugnant if he engaged in retalation when he is released. 7 years in prison is pretty much ruination for someone like that.



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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    I haven't read all the posts on this thread, but I did read the full article. I'd like to point this out.

    New Jersey and Colorado are on opposite ends of the gun-control spectrum. In Colorado, all he needed was the background check to own the guns.

    In the Garden State, Aitken was required to have a purchaser's permit from New Jersey to own the guns and a carry permit to have them in his car.

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    New Jersey allows exemptions for gun owners to transport weapons for hunting or if they are moving from one residence to another. During the trial, Aitken's mother testified that her son was moving things out, and his friend in Hoboken testified he was moving things in. A Mount Laurel officer, according to Larry Aitken, testified that he saw boxes of dishes and clothes in the Honda Civic on the day of the arrest.

    The exemption statute, according to the prosecutor's office, specifies that legal guns can be transported "while moving." Despite testimony about his moving to Hoboken, a spokesman for the prosecutor said the evidence suggested that Aitken had moved months earlier, from Colorado to Mount Laurel. "Again, there was no evidence that he was then presently moving," spokesman Joel Bewley said.
    The way I see it, NJ needs to clarify the time "between moves" that a new resident has to properly quarter his firearms according to New Jersey law and to get a purchaser's permit and a carry permit as required by New Jersey law. That would make this situation much more clear cut.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Brian didn't receive oral sex from calves; he only lawfully possessed firearms
    WTF kind of quote is that?


    Aside that bit of quizzical humor:
    In the Garden State, Aitken was required to have a purchaser's permit from New Jersey to own the guns and a carry permit to have them in his car.
    So - this is what was necessary to be a lawful owner of a firearm in this state. There's no mistake of fact: he did not satisfy this - this isn't even argued.

    And he violated this:
    "If Mr. Aitken did the research he said he did, he would not have hollow-point bullets and large-capacity magazines in the vehicle," Miller said. "They are illegal, period."
    Does this mean he's a horrible person - guilty of a horrendous crime?
    No.

    So those things were in violation - and that means that the issue came down to whether he was in the process of moving or not and establishing his residence - and soon to be abiding by the rules.

    It's a confusing case and it seems the judge's refusal to cooperate with the jury's very understandable and rightful request of the laws concerning ownership prevented an adequate interpretation of the facts and law.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    I think the guy should have been given some time to comply with the Jersey laws.

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think the guy should have been given some time to comply with the Jersey laws.
    Ususally when one breaks a law - but they ahven't done anything horridly wrong - they're fined, maybe . . . yes, given time to comply.

    THAT wouldn't have been a problem and I'm sure THAT happens all the time.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    According to your link, the facts of the case are in something of dispute. That makes it impossible to judge properly. We are only really seeing the families side of the argument, which may or may not be accurate. Rushing to judgment based on disputed facts is probably not a good thing to do.
    Actually, I started to question the cops and DA's judgement as soon as I saw the paragraph about the cop sticking his penis in 5 calves mouths and them debating on whether or not to prosecute...sure...guilt by association...but...thats a hell of an association...

    What happened to common sense? Yes...dude...you screwed up...heres the law...here is your ticket...we are confiscating the munitions...thanks for having the good sense to keep them locked...pay the clerk and have a nice day...

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    People who place blind faith in prosecutors to somehow use clarity or fairness in their decisions lives if a fantasy world where the sky is green and grass is blue.

    We have a Constitution that says we are to all be treated equally under the law but that never applies in real life or there would be no such things as hate crime which give more rights to some than to others.

    For example if i were become involved in a dispute with someone that ended in a fight and I were to come out the victor, even if it was a fair fight and witnesses proved the other guy started it, the minute it became public that he was gay it would be a hate crime and I would be charged accordingly.

    At least in California, nd I know because I have seen it happen more than once.

    Just remind me never to visit New Jersey and get me the Hell out of the Granola State.

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    I think this should go to the state's highest court to be considered overall.

    There's obviously ambiguous language that they've never had to clarify before over how much time he had and so on - I know that in some places over certain Issues I've been granted 60 days to make the whole moving process complete.
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