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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Insane. Absolutely insane. I hope someone can get this man's sentence overturned and the charges dismissed.




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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This story appeared today on DRUDGE REPORT so its the conservative cause celebre of the day.
    Either that or I live in New Jersey, and am a life long GOA member, Friends with Evan Nappen and am on top of all 2nd amendment freedom issues in my home state.


    But don't let that stop you from tolling.



    Something will come along tomorrow to replace it. What we have here is on story which may involve some sloppy courtroom work that resulted in an injustice. And time will tell on that count.

    But much like Porky Pig used to say at the end of the Warner Brothers cartoons, "thats all folks". Which will not prevent some for trying to take this molehill and turn it into a mountain.


    I'm sure Brian Aitken would be happy to know that his struggle for freedom is nothing but a mole hill for you. It's statists such as yourself that are destroying this country.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As I read it, because they did not try and present those facts till closing arguments. I again point out that you are only getting one side of the story from your article, so it really is impossible to judge. Trying to make a big deal out of this, with disputed facts and only one side of a story presented is not a good idea.


    Let's say you are 100% right.


    In what society do we sentence a man such as Brian Aitken to a 7 year sentence for the "crime" of having legal bullets and a magazine that holds 13 round?

    a sick society.


    That said, I don't agree. hollow points are legal.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Why can't you get the NRA to file a class action suit against the state of NJ over these laws?


    Because the NRA is a gutless "Rights" organization bent on compromise.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

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    But don't let that stop you from tolling
    You have me confused with a bell for some reason.

    I'm sure Brian Aitken would be happy to know that his struggle for freedom is nothing but a mole hill for you. It's statists such as yourself that are destroying this country.
    I have a feeling that Aitken could give less than a good bowel movement about how I feel about it. And the last time I looked, he had a lawyer in court and us "statists" did not have a damn thing to do with this case. But do not let facts get in the way of your vitriolic attacks on those who disagree with you simply because you failed to provide any additional evidence to substantiate your wild charges of a governmental problem in the entire state of New Jersey.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from the Rev

    I guess it takes talent and intellect to figure out the quote system. Don't let me down.




    You have me confused with a bell for some reason.

    No confused with one who lives not under a bridge.





    I have a feeling that Aitken could give less than a good bowel movement about how I feel about it. And the last time I looked, he had a lawyer in court and us "statists" did not have a damn thing to do with this case. But do not let facts get in the way of your vitriolic attacks on those who disagree with you simply because you failed to provide any additional evidence to substantiate your wild charges of a governmental problem in the entire state of New Jersey.


    Anything on the topic or are you just attempting to derail. I provided you with law, you lied and stated i provided no evidence, I provided you with links. you lied and said I had no evidence.


    Post an honest reply and I might respond to you again my statist friend.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Let's say you are 100% right.


    In what society do we sentence a man such as Brian Aitken to a 7 year sentence for the "crime" of having legal bullets and a magazine that holds 13 round?

    a sick society.


    That said, I don't agree. hollow points are legal.
    In what society do we hold as person responsible for breaking the law? See how easy it is to spin this like you did?

    I would note that I am not making any real statements about this, except that with the facts presented I don't think we can reach any conclusions. We can and do get alot of questions from the story. Why did his lawyer not bring up moving till closing arguments is probably the biggest question, and I suspect is the crux of it. Could it be that the reason is because the argument would not hold up well to being examined? Dunno, but that would explain things without being some miscarriage of justice.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    In what society do we hold as person responsible for breaking the law? See how easy it is to spin this like you did?
    1. hollow poitns are legal in NJ as per my link I provided.

    2. A fine and confiscation for the magazine that holds 3 more bullets than the state government approved magazine, sure. Community service, sure. 7 years in prison. CRUEL AND UNUSUAL..... It's sick.

    the AWB in NJ is unconstitutional, and this man is being punished beyond cruel and unusual for it.



    I would note that I am not making any real statements about this, except that with the facts presented I don't think we can reach any conclusions. We can and do get alot of questions from the story. Why did his lawyer not bring up moving till closing arguments is probably the biggest question, and I suspect is the crux of it. Could it be that the reason is because the argument would not hold up well to being examined? Dunno, but that would explain things without being some miscarriage of justice.

    So, in NJ, and yes this is true. If I drop, 1 hollow point bullet in my trunk, and I get pulled over and they find it, I can go to prison for 7 years?


    yes, the law is that vague. You can buy em, you can own em, but you can't transport them?


    Unless he menaced someone with said gun, 7 years for a magazine that holds 13 rounds ****IS**** a miscarriage of justice.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Let's say you are 100% right.


    In what society do we sentence a man such as Brian Aitken to a 7 year sentence for the "crime" of having legal bullets and a magazine that holds 13 round?

    a sick society.


    That said, I don't agree. hollow points are legal.
    as are high-cap magazines (nationally). i have several for my 9mm.

    guess what i keep in them?

    hollowpoints

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as are high-cap magazines (nationally). i have several for my 9mm.

    guess what i keep in them?

    hollowpoints


    they are banned in NJ.


    funny thing though it's a grey area if you can "block it".... There are cases of conviction and acquittal where a person put a sheet metal screw through an AK magazine to limit it from 30 to 10.

    There is no consensus so while one man walks, another man gets 7 years. all at the whim of the prosecutor and judge.
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