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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you can show evidence that this New Jersey gun problem is wide spread and there is some sort of pattern which proves your suspicions about gun grabbers?


    NJ doesn't have a wide spread gun problem, it has a government problem.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    New Jersey allows exemptions for gun owners to transport weapons for hunting or if they are moving from one residence to another. During the trial, Aitken's mother testified that her son was moving things out, and his friend in Hoboken testified he was moving things in. A Mount Laurel officer, according to Larry Aitken, testified that he saw boxes of dishes and clothes in the Honda Civic on the day of the arrest.

    The exemption statute, according to the prosecutor's office, specifies that legal guns can be transported "while moving." Despite testimony about his moving to Hoboken, a spokesman for the prosecutor said the evidence suggested that Aitken had moved months earlier, from Colorado to Mount Laurel. "Again, there was no evidence that he was then presently moving," spokesman Joel Bewley said.
    Really? Looks like two witnesses and the cop were wrong then, huh.

    After Nappen raised the moving-exemption issue, he said, the jury asked Judge Morley for the exemption statute several times and he refused to hand it over to them. Morley, in a phone interview, echoed the sentiments of the prosecutor's office.

    "My recollection of the case is that I ruled he had not presented evidence sufficient to justify giving the jury the charge on the affirmative offense that he was in the process of moving," Morley said.
    Yeah, wtf do witnesses and the arresting officer know anyway, right?

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    NJ doesn't have a wide spread gun problem, it has a government problem.
    So you can provide evidence that New Jersey has this government problem with guns?

    Otherwise this is simply one sad story of an alleged injustice.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    NJ is not Arizona, the gun laws are purposefully vague so that they can be applied at whim.

    Tell me what does "substantially identical" mean to you?
    Actually I regret making that post, its a silly arguement for more reasons than that one.

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you can provide evidence that New Jersey has this government problem with guns?

    Otherwise this is simply one sad story of an alleged injustice.


    Manalapan Police Department's Outrageous Handgun Permit Application; Is this Legal?? - New Jersey Gun Forums
    As Much As Mass Gun Laws Suck, New Jersey Is Worse. [Archive] - Northeastshooters.com
    Corzine calls for tougher gun laws... - Constitutional Emergency
    GUNS: Yet Another NJ Gun Law Reinke Faces Life



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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    I read your links. What you are presenting is antecdotal evidence - of a rather minor nature - which does NOT demonstrate any sort of widespread problem in New Jersey regarding guns.

    I wonder if you read all of your own links? Read the last one and you will see at the end of it is clearly says that the bill was NOT enacted into law.

    On Thursday, May 10, the New Jersey Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee decided to take no action on Assembly Bill 3494, sponsored by Assemblywoman Pamela Lampitt (D-6) and Assemblyman Peter Barnes (D-18).
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I read your links. What you are presenting is antecdotal evidence - of a rather minor nature - which does NOT demonstrate any sort of widespread problem in New Jersey regarding guns.

    I wonder if you read all of your own links? Read the last one and you will see at the end of it is clearly says that the bill was NOT enacted into law.


    I've offerd you the proper path to offer counter arguments via links, you have failed, and I don't plan on playing tangent diversion games with the likes of your.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    double post


    Here's a clue OSO, click edit, then click delete.
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    Re: Family: New Jersey man serving 7 years for guns he owned legally

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I've offerd you the proper path to offer counter arguments via links, you have failed, and I don't plan on playing tangent diversion games with the likes of your.
    But you have not presented any evidence to support whatever point you believe in your own mind that you are making. There is no need for any counter argument since you have failed to present one in the first place.

    You charge that New Jersey has a government problem with guns. But all you can do is present a very minor bit of anecdotal evidence and some of what you presented shows the opposite of what you intended it to do.

    I do not blame you for cutting and running since you clearly cannot support this spurious claim you make and have no real hard evidence to present. That is probably a wise decision on your part.

    What we have here is a story about one man who appears to be the unfortunate victim of an over zealous prosecutor and a judge who did a poor job at trial. Beyond that, we have nothing.
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