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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I find it peculiar to celebrate a war, period. Very strange.

    Let's have a celebration to mark the start of WWII. Makes as much sense.

    Honor the fallen? That I can understand. Commemorate the South's attempt at sovereignty? I can understand that. But celebrate the Civil War? How weird.
    Really because believe we veterans celebrate D Day every June 6. Wasnt that the start of American role in the fighting to take back Europe?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Any other thing I really dislike is the confederate flag being flown with no opposition in many places in the South. I may be "prejudice" against it because I am originally from up north, but when I see that flag flying on poles or on peoples cars it offends me and makes me mad. I've gotten into arguments over it, to which those who express "Dixie pride" claim it's "heritage, not hate." The fact is that the confederate flag stood for the confederacy, which stood for enslavement, secession from the Union, and the killing of American soldiers in the bloodiest war in American history. Many of these people also claim to love America and be patriotic, yet they wave a flag that stood for breaking away from America. I find it to be equal to someone of German dissent (like me, well partially German) waving a nazi flag or banner in order to show support for Germany. The nazi flag stood for racism, war, and the death of soldiers (among these being American). Yet no one would find it acceptable (nor should they) if I were to innocently wave my nazi banner in the name of German pride and simply cast away the racist bloodbath that happened under nazi rule. Would this also be "heritage and not hate"? I do not think the confederacy should be revered or celebrated for any reason. It should be treated just like nazism: a racist nation that is responsible for the deaths of many and an enemy combatant against the United States of America.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    Really because believe we veterans celebrate D Day every June 6. Wasnt that the start of American role in the fighting to take back Europe?
    I think it's more about celebrating the bravery and patriotism of our soldiers, than the war itself. I would imagine that veterans hate war more than anyone.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Good ole south and their silly anachronisms.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be an over reaching government. That is what the celebrations are about."

    " He just wants to honor those that stood up against what was believed to be the freeing of the slaves. That is what the celebrations are about."

    Fixed.
    That is of course how you wish to take it. But just because you wish to take it that way does not mean that it actually IS that way. That is in essence one of the biggest problem now adays when it comes to racism. When it comes to racism people don't just read what they want into what people say or do. It seems that they have a NEED to read what what they want into what people say and do. And it is the biggest thing that keeps racism alive and kicking.

    Oh sure they will of course deny what I just said. Either because they don't realize the truth of it or they do but just don't want to seem racist themselves. Understandable I suppose. Unfortenate, but understandable.

    In anycase the south pulled away from the Union for reasons other than slavery. Their main gripe was taxes IIRC. While slavery might have been a part of the reasons it was not the biggest reason. You seem to think that the north wanted the south to end slavery and that was the main reason for the civil war. It wasn't. Indeed ole' Lincoln had stated before the war and even towards the begining of it that he would do anything to keep the union together, including keeping slavery around.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Good ole south and their silly anachronisms.
    You could always move.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You could always move.
    True. But I can just as easily ignore the majority of people around me, which is what I do. It works well enough for me. I am reasonably happy and I do well enough for myself that I have my needs covered and I couldn't think of what to ask for for christmas (which means my wants are largely covered too).

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    No more like color you stupid if you believe the civil war was fought solely because of slavery.
    Except no one has said that, but you.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That is of course how you wish to take it. But just because you wish to take it that way does not mean that it actually IS that way. That is in essence one of the biggest problem now adays when it comes to racism. When it comes to racism people don't just read what they want into what people say or do. It seems that they have a NEED to read what what they want into what people say and do. And it is the biggest thing that keeps racism alive and kicking.
    Actually the same could be said for your argument. Either way it is not so much for me about outward racism. The whole thing (while I am certain most Southerners don't care one way or the other) is tainted by the racist undercurrent.

    The thing that keeps racism alive is racists. I mean between Azatlan, Black Panthers, White Supremacists etc. Do you really want to say suspecting racism is the main reason? Not really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh sure they will of course deny what I just said. Either because they don't realize the truth of it or they do but just don't want to seem racist themselves. Understandable I suppose. Unfortenate, but understandable.
    No one will deny it is part of the reason. It is doing nothing but widening the racial divide. It is not how ever the main cause or even a large one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In anycase the south pulled away from the Union for reasons other than slavery. Their main gripe was taxes IIRC. While slavery might have been a part of the reasons it was not the biggest reason. You seem to think that the north wanted the south to end slavery and that was the main reason for the civil war. It wasn't. Indeed ole' Lincoln had stated before the war and even towards the begining of it that he would do anything to keep the union together, including keeping slavery around.
    I don't "seem" to think anything. Nothing I have typed would lead anyone to think what you said about my statements.

    Slavery was one of the biggest issues, but not the only one. No one has said otherwise. It was however one of the major reasons and should include the abolitionist movement.

    #1 Economic and social differences between the North and the South.
    #2 States versus federal rights.
    #3 The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.
    #4 Growth of the Abolition Movement.
    #5 The election of Lincoln.

    The fact is, it is nothing to be proud of or celebrate.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The 1st Amendment gets in the way doesn't it?
    That doesn't make it right. By the 1st Amednment the nazis could do what they want to as I explained in my example. My post was attacking celebrating the confederacy.
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