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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Don't begrudge Southern Whites of the last shred of their history. To do so provokes alienation and estrangement because every single other group in this country gets to celebrate who they are.

    Besides, the Stars and Stripes are just as much a symbol of discrimination and oppression as are the Stars and Bars. Seriously! There is no more reasaon to respect the Stars and Stripes than there is to despise the Stars and Bars.

    Today parades are held in America where primarily Mexican flags are waved. Where I live Mexican Independence Day is about as big a deal as is American Independence Day. That being the case, it's hard for me to get worked up about the Stars and Bars and other accouterments of a past long gone.
    Well lets look at the accomplishment...

    They succeeded to maintain slaves.
    They got their asses kicked while trying to keep slavery alive.
    The SCOTUS said they could not succeed to begin with.
    They instead make racist laws to keep the colored folks under control. They remain intact until 1964.

    Yea, they have allot to be proud of.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    German-Americans don't get to celebrate the Holocaust. German-Americans are part of the old pan-European white majority that survived the Depression and won WWII. They merged their German identity into the White American identity as part of the process of assimilation. Assimilation is no longer the favored model in America. Unity has been replaced by diversity.


    I can think of one. That's good.


    Yes, and Mexicans were fighting to create a country that was not being oppressed by distant lords in Spain. Southerners were fighting to prolong their use of slavery. The two are not even remotely comparable.
    That wasn't the analogy I was making. I am an American living in America who celebrates American Independence. But in my part of American, American Independence is not any more important than Mexican Independence Day. If Mexicans can celebrate their history of human sacrifice on an unimaginable scale, then why can't White Southerners celebrate a heritage that has a dual nature?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    That wasn't the analogy I was making. I am an American living in America who celebrates American Independence. But in my part of American, American Independence is not any more important than Mexican Independence Day. If Mexicans can celebrate their history of human sacrifice on an unimaginable scale, then why can't White Southerners celebrate a heritage that has a dual nature?
    Good lord, have you been reading the thread? The celebration is not Southern Heritage. It's Celebrating the Civil War. It's celebrating a part of their heritage and omitting key facts about it. It would be like Germans celebrating their role WWII without mentioning that whole burning zee jews incident.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ...They instead make racist laws to keep the colored folks under control. They remain intact until 1964.
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    Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.

    One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good lord, have you been reading the thread? The celebration is not Southern Heritage. It's Celebrating the Civil War. It's celebrating a part of their heritage and omitting key facts about it. It would be like Germans celebrating their role WWII without mentioning that whole burning zee jews incident.
    Should the White Southerners be arrested and sent to a reeducation camp? Should they get a bullet to the head? Should they simply be silenced and forced to wear a scarlett W on their chests?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.

    One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.
    The murder of blacks who wanted to vote was NOT made under authority of the Stars and Stripes, and if I remember correctly, the Stars and Stripes sent troops to Mississippi, after the murders of the three civil rights workers.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The murder of blacks who wanted to vote was NOT made under authority of the Stars and Stripes, and if I remember correctly, the Stars and Stripes sent troops to Mississippi, after the murders of the three civil rights workers.
    You are making a false distinction between acts of commission and acts of omission. The USA was not a defender of African Americans until the Eisenhower Administration. Prior to that time all administrations watched as African Americans were murdered and oppressed, and they did absolutely nothing. Let's not pretend federal hands were clean. Those administrations ruled under the authority of the United States of America symbolized by the Stars and Stripes.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Those laws were made under the authority of the Stars and Stripes. Let's urinate on the American flag together. Everything you said about the White Southerners was and is true about the Union and America.
    Jim Crow was Southern Mr. revisionist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    One difference between the United States of America and the Confederate States of America was that the USA committed genocide, and the CSA didn't. Slavery wasn't genocide. So if we are to spit on flags then let the Stars and Stripes take its rightful place as first in line.
    Nice shuck and jive. This is about Southerners celebrating succession, not who committed the worst genocide etc.

    So far you have pointed to nothing that is worth celebrating about the succession.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Jim Crow was Southern Mr. revisionist.



    Nice shuck and jive. This is about Southerners celebrating succession, not who committed the worst genocide etc.

    So far you have pointed to nothing that is worth celebrating about the succession.
    So should they be silenced because they are politically incorrect white people?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    So should they be silenced because they are politically incorrect white people?
    No, even the ignorant have rights, according to the First Amendment. If someone wants to claim that this is a celebration of something honorable, or claim that Bush was a deserter in the Army, or claim that Obama is really a Kenyan citizen, then by all means, they should go for it. They just shouldn't be surprised when educated people hear what they are spewing, and exclaim "WTF bat guano planet is he from?".
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