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Good ole south and their silly anachronisms.
You could always move.
Good ole south and their silly anachronisms.
You could always move.
No more like color you stupid if you believe the civil war was fought solely because of slavery.
That is of course how you wish to take it. But just because you wish to take it that way does not mean that it actually IS that way. That is in essence one of the biggest problem now adays when it comes to racism. When it comes to racism people don't just read what they want into what people say or do. It seems that they have a NEED to read what what they want into what people say and do. And it is the biggest thing that keeps racism alive and kicking.
Oh sure they will of course deny what I just said. Either because they don't realize the truth of it or they do but just don't want to seem racist themselves. Understandable I suppose. Unfortenate, but understandable.
In anycase the south pulled away from the Union for reasons other than slavery. Their main gripe was taxes IIRC. While slavery might have been a part of the reasons it was not the biggest reason. You seem to think that the north wanted the south to end slavery and that was the main reason for the civil war. It wasn't. Indeed ole' Lincoln had stated before the war and even towards the begining of it that he would do anything to keep the union together, including keeping slavery around.
The 1st Amendment gets in the way doesn't it?
Actually the same could be said for your argument. Either way it is not so much for me about outward racism. The whole thing (while I am certain most Southerners don't care one way or the other) is tainted by the racist undercurrent.
The thing that keeps racism alive is racists. I mean between Azatlan, Black Panthers, White Supremacists etc. Do you really want to say suspecting racism is the main reason? Not really.
No one will deny it is part of the reason. It is doing nothing but widening the racial divide. It is not how ever the main cause or even a large one.
I don't "seem" to think anything. Nothing I have typed would lead anyone to think what you said about my statements.
Slavery was one of the biggest issues, but not the only one. No one has said otherwise. It was however one of the major reasons and should include the abolitionist movement.
#1 Economic and social differences between the North and the South.
#2 States versus federal rights.
#3 The fight between Slave and Non-Slave State Proponents.
#4 Growth of the Abolition Movement.
#5 The election of Lincoln.
The fact is, it is nothing to be proud of or celebrate.
No more like color you stupid if you believe the civil war was fought solely because of slavery.
No the thing couldn't be said the same for my arguement because it is not my arguement. What I said before is what one of the people setting up one of the events said. Since it comes from the person that is helping set things up I would have to say that his arguement about what the celebration is about trumps both what you and I may "think" that it is about.
Sorry I did not mean to imply that it was the main reason. I meant that it was one of the reasons. I also believe that statistics that mention race (white, black, hispanic etc etc) helps keep racism alive if that gives you an idea of where I am coming from.
It depends on what part of it you are celebrating. These people are celebrating your #2 reason. They are not celebrating any of the others. Celebrating part of something despite the rest of what may be attached to what you are celebrating happens all the time. For example George Washington Day. We celebrate the man but not everything about him. For example we do not celebrate him because he was a slave owner (which he was) we celebrate him because he was our first President and among the first to sign the Constitution of the USA. So just because something bad is a part of something good doesn't mean that they can't be mutually exclusive.
No more like color you stupid if you believe the civil war was fought solely because of slavery.
I think they are celebrating (or at least they say) the actual secession of the 11 states. Like it is more about states rights.
Like I said how can you celebrate secession during the civil war with know mention of one of it's main causes.
It's probably more of a commemoration than a celebration.
Leave it to the lamestream media to protray southerners as anything, other than white, pro-Confederate, pro-slavery and racist. Gotta keep that image alive. It's good political ammo in future elections and, it's politically correct.
Tell us, what else was it about? Economic determination? The South's economy was overly reliant on slavery. Different culture? The South's culture was dependent on slavery. The main cause of declaration for Southern secession was slavery as proven by every single declaration issued, the words of the Confederate President and the writings of pro-slavery confederates at the time.
That's some lame spin.
"We are having drinks and a dance to commemorate fighting for slavery!"
That's because you think it's all about slavery.
Less than 1% of all Southerners and even fewer Confederate soldiers owned slaves.
But, hey, let's don't let historical facts get in our way.
It was fought for states rights. The right of a state to determine it's own destiny.
It was about property rights. "If, today, the government can take our slaves, where does it end?". The reason that most people can't see that, is that the extent of their education about the period, are the articles of seccesion. Replace, "slavery", with, "2nd Amendment". Would that mean that the Civil War was fought purely so people could own guns, or was it fought to protect all constitutional rights?
Slavery's days were numbered. Mechinization would have ended slavery in another 10 years and everyone knew it and it didn't take a war, billions of dollars in destroyed property and a half million lives to make that happen.
The, "it's all about slavery", crowd probably set the American black community back by 50 years, or more with the anomosity that was created in the Reconstruction South.
It was fought for states rights. The right of a state to determine it's own destiny.
Slavery's days were numbered. Mechinization would have ended slavery in another 10 years and everyone knew it and it didn't take a war, billions of dollars in destroyed property and a half million lives to make that happen.
That's because you think it's all about slavery.
Less than 1% of all Southerners and even fewer Confederate soldiers owned slaves.
But, hey, let's don't let historical facts get in our way.
It was fought for states rights. The right of a state to determine it's own destiny.
It was about property rights. "If, today, the government can take our slaves, where does it end?". The reason that most people can't see that, is that the extent of their education about the period, are the articles of seccesion. Replace, "slavery", with, "2nd Amendment". Would that mean that the Civil War was fought purely so people could own guns, or was it fought to protect all constitutional rights?
Slavery's days were numbered. Mechinization would have ended slavery in another 10 years and everyone knew it and it didn't take a war, billions of dollars in destroyed property and a half million lives to make that happen.
The, "it's all about slavery", crowd probably set the American black community back by 50 years, or more with the anomosity that was created in the Reconstruction South.
I'm curious about something. What history are white people allowed to celebrate without recrimination. Should white people celebrate black history or the accomplishments of La Raza.
Remember that assimilation is dead. There is only multiculturalism in which each identity group has its own culture and identity. So what identity should white people celebrate?
That is a straw man if I ever saw one. White people can celebrate white history all they want. However, celebrating the Civil War is not celebrating white history. It is upholding the view that it is OK to regard black people as property instead of human beings. Personally, if I were celebrating white history, I would not want to include the Confederacy as part of it. That would be totally embarrassing to me. But some people still do. The last time I talked to someone who held that view to heart, it was during a gig I played in Camilla, Texas. The guy who said it was part of the Camilla Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Yea, they are still around, and they still spew that same dumb old crap about white history being politically incorrect, while black history is revered.
Also, whites DO celebrate white history. I am half Irish, so celebrate Irish history. I am also half Jewish, so celebrate Jewish history. Italians celebrate Italian history, Poles celebrate Polish history, French celebrate their many military defeats and surrenders :mrgreen:, etc. etc. However, blacks don't have a national pride to celebrate, since their identities were all stripped from them, when they were kidnapped from their various nations and tribes. Therefore, they can only celebrate black history, instead of Ethiopian, Ghanan, and other national and tribal histories. DUH!! However, racists here in Texas still play it as black history vs. white history, which is about as dishonestly and blatantly racist as you can get. It's all about the hate, folks. That's all it is.
It was fought for states rights. The right of a state to determine it's own destiny.
It was about property rights. "If, today, the government can take our slaves, where does it end?". The reason that most people can't see that, is that the extent of their education about the period, are the articles of seccesion. Replace, "slavery", with, "2nd Amendment". Would that mean that the Civil War was fought purely so people could own guns, or was it fought to protect all constitutional rights?
Slavery's days were numbered. Mechinization would have ended slavery in another 10 years and everyone knew it and it didn't take a war, billions of dollars in destroyed property and a half million lives to make that happen.
The, "it's all about slavery", crowd probably set the American black community back by 50 years, or more with the anomosity that was created in the Reconstruction South.
What role does the white genocide of American Indians play in the celebration of the white history to which you refer? What role does White Privilege play in the celebration of the white history to which you refer?
What about the white Californians who murdered Indians, and murdered Mexicans? What about the white oppression that caused the Watts Riots?
For some reason you have a hard on for white southerners. I don't know why. But the very things that damn white southerners damn all white people.
So all of white history is murderous by the standards to which you hold white southerners.
Irish history isn't pan-european white american history. Jewish history is not pan-european white american history. I can remember when Jews were marginalized. They weren't part of that identity.
So holding you to your standard, no white american identity should be celebrated. Ok, works for me. I like Chinese people better than whites any way.
The problem with these Southerners in question is that they want to celebrate the ugly part of their history. Good grief, they lost, it's time they create a new legacy instead of being stuck in the ugly past.