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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Health care is too dangerous.

    Funny.

    He should have started a war instead. That's much safer.
    Obamacare wasn't really about providing healthcare. It was about the redistribution of income to achieve social justice.

    There is a philosophical and practical tension between the ideals of liberty and equality. They had long been in a state of equilibrium. That is until Obama.

    Obamacare is the incremental beginning of change in the balance between component elements of the ideal of personal liberty and the notion of equality of result.

    The USA exists to advance and maintain the individual liberty of its citizens. To the extent it ceases to do so, it's legitimacy is called into question. The reason that is true is because the Constitution enshrines individual liberty, but not equality of result.

    The component of individual liberty that I call personal autonomy would be sacrificed to achieve the redistribution of income necessary to achieve equality of result. That's the point.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Obamacare wasn't really about providing healthcare. It was about the redistribution of income to achieve social justice.

    There is a philosophical and practical tension between the ideals of liberty and equality. They had long been in a state of equilibrium. That is until Obama.

    Obamacare is the incremental beginning of change in the balance between component elements of the ideal of personal liberty and the notion of equality of result.

    The USA exists to advance and maintain the individual liberty of its citizens. To the extent it ceases to do so, it's legitimacy is called into question. The reason that is true is because the Constitution enshrines individual liberty, but not equality of result.

    The component of individual liberty that I call personal autonomy would be sacrificed to achieve the redistribution of income necessary to achieve equality of result. That's the point.
    Good grief.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Good grief.
    Oh My!

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Again, you attempt to cover up the reason for the Civil War and secession, by fabricating a history that never was, and by providing red herrings and straw men in your vain attempt to prove that this was not about slavery. Who gives a rat's ass about what Lincoln thought? Lincoln did not secede from the Union. THE SOUTH DID, and here is why:


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    It is not the North that seceeded from the Union. Neither was it Lincoln who split up the Union. Whatever Lincoln's motives were, for keeping the Union together, came AFTER the South seceeded, and is completely immaterial to the reason that the South left the Union. The reasons are in black and white, preserved for all forever, written in the very hands of those who seceeded.

    Do I need to keep posting the writings of those who seceeded, or will you stop attempting to fabricate history? The ball is in your court. If you have a problem with what I posted here, don't take it up with me. Take it up, instead, with those who created the historical documents. Your beef is with them, but I have to tell you that you don't stand much of a chance winning the argument with them. After all, THEY are the ones who, in spite of your efforts to change history, created those documents.
    You're looking at this with a 21st Century mindset, which makes it impossible for you to understand the sources you've quoted.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    You're looking at this with a 21st Century mindset, which makes it impossible for you to understand the sources you've quoted.
    Did "slavery" have a different definition back then?

    Was it slang for pornography or something?
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Did "slavery" have a different definition back then?

    Was it slang for pornography or something?
    Nope, not even gonna touch that one...

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    I think you want your cake and to eat it too.
    A few other notes. If the CSA had maintained its independence, they would have taken Cuba, sparked the Spanish war early, in the 1870's. The CSA would have been closely allied with England and France and would have entered WW I much earlier.

    Not only is the federal government powerful out of proportion to the power of the States, but the representative government (Congress) is too strong relative to the executive office. (This leaves only foreign affairs for Obama to screw up). The representative government has a no-limit credit card to go along with the out-of-proportion federal power.

    I couldn't begin to list all the federal excesses at the expense of the states and making the 10th Amendment effectively invalid. Let's try.

    - Federal Reserve
    - EPA
    - FCC
    - FTC
    - SSA
    - SEC
    - FDA
    - FBI
    - DEA
    - Dept of Agriculture
    - Dept of Commerce
    - Dept of Justice
    - Dept of Treasury
    - Dept of Transportation
    - Dept of Education
    - Dept of Housing and Urban Dev
    - Dept of Health and Human Services
    - Dept of Labor
    - Dept of Defense

    **** the whole ****ing federal government. I ain't saying get rid of these agencies and departments, but their power should be limited and there should be State counterparts with power over each state.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The proof of the effectiveness of the public school system is in the quality of the education of American children when compared to foreign children who aren't subject to the American public school system.
    That depends on the nation in question. Most nations are mono-cultural. Some nations/cultures put a premium on education as a means of success. Some don't. In america we have numerous cultures/sub-cultures. To be fair if you want to compare us to say, germany or japan you would only include those cultures that value education. Think in terms of any of our middle and or upper class americans irrespective of their color. We would compare quite favoribly.
    American children don't do well in comparison because their educations are generally inferior to the educations children receive in most of the rest of the world.
    Here's what happens in a typical american classroom. I'm teaching and I have a kid who isn't doing thier homework. I talk to their parents. I get one of two results. If the parents possess middle class/upper class aspirations they will make certain their children gets their homework done, and pronto! If their parents are lower socio-economic or belong to one of several different sub-cultures they will make excuses for their children, or blame me and I won't get the homework. I've taught in two small, rural schools with primarily low income children. What's more, I come from a poor working class family that didn't value education. I'm a high schoo dropout. I used to be one of those kids whose parents didn't really care if I did well in school or not.


    What American teachers have produced is a pig's ear, and they are pretending it is a silk purse.
    There are bad teachers out there. Make no mistake. However, what I see, on a daily basis is teachers working long hard hours under a great deal of pressure. I see no lazy teachers or even administrators where I'm at. We're all working our asses off.

    Teaching is an occupation not a profession. Professionals are fiduciaries who owe a duty to their clients. A duty of competence, loyalty, and the willingness to place their client's interests above their own. That's what lawyers, doctors, CPAs, and other professionals do.
    That's what teachers do too. We qualify as a profession.

    If a professional screws up, she or he is liable for malpractice. If a teacher screws up nothing happens.
    Teachers are fired every year. Most of the time the principles make things so difficult they choose to leave. Test scores are now being used to punish those teachers and school districts that don't produce scores high enough for the state. Teachers in my school district are now being required to produce iep's for students. It's starting to suck out here.
    Teacher's Unions are the main problem. Not parents.
    Teacher's unions serve as a source of monies for the democratic party. If you want your child to succeed in school he/she will. My son went to the same schools I taught in. He's now in graduate school.
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    "Teacher's unions serve as a source of monies for the democratic party."

    What is the relationship between the decline in the standards of American public instruction and the rise of the Teacher' unions?

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    "That's what teachers do too. We qualify as a profession."

    Do you carry Errors and Omissions insurance? Can you be sued for malpractice?

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