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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Lincoln was a politician. He spoke out of both sides of his mouth about slavery. He did say those things that Heavy Duty mentioned. But he also gave his "House divided" speech in 1858. I believe he claimed it wasn't about slavery for political purposes. That's why the Emancipation Proclomation came so close on the heels of his other comments.
    The Emancipation Proclamation didn't happen for two years after the war started and it only applied to slaves that were currently held in Confederate territory, that wasn't controlled by the Federals. Slaves in Missouri, Kentucky and Maryland weren't freed by the EP.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    You are not going to stop this celebration, and never will. You might as well get use to it. Either that or come out against gay pride marches.
    I think the biggest problem that most folks on this thread are having, is calling this a, "celebration". I doubt anyone involved would call it a, "celebration".

    I'm sure that the, "all white southerners are boogeymen", crowd wants to think it's a, "celebration", and I'm sure that's why the media article labeled it as such, but I'm bettin' that it's far from reality.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Once it has failed that for too long, it is well within the rightful power of the States to leave the Republic.
    You would certainly think so. Reciprocity. If the States can elect to join the Union, they can elect to secede.

    Or if it is on a much grander scale, it is the rightful power and duty of the People at large to scrap the government and construct for themselves a new government better beholden to their rights and liberties. It's a reminder.
    The Declaration of Independence declares this right to revolution, another mark in the long history of the right to revolution.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think the biggest problem that most folks on this thread are having, is calling this a, "celebration". I doubt anyone involved would call it a, "celebration".

    I'm sure that the, "all white southerners are boogeymen", crowd wants to think it's a, "celebration", and I'm sure that's why the media article labeled it as such, but I'm bettin' that it's far from reality.
    From the source cited in the OP:

    The events include a “secession ball” in the former slave port of Charleston (“a joyous night of music, dancing, food and drink,” says the invitation), which will be replicated on a smaller scale in other cities.
    I would call that a celebration. YMMV.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    From the source cited in the OP:



    I would call that a celebration. YMMV.
    It seems to me they are celebrating secession and not the civil war that ensued.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It seems to me they are celebrating secession and not the civil war that ensued.
    Or the reason they seceded.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Or the reason they seceded.
    overreaching central government.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Columbus day
    Saint Patric's day
    President's day
    4th of July etc

    Are celebrations of white heritage. You on the other hand have to come to grips with realtiy about the mixed heratage of this country.

    PS Every white person in this country came from someplace else. Just like everyone else except the Native Americans.
    I didnt know any of those celebrations lasted a whole month. You mean I can stay drunk for St Patricks DAY for a month?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It seems to me they are celebrating secession and not the civil war that ensued.
    How did that turn out for them?
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How did that turn out for them?
    It was pretty disastrous for the whole country. If Lincoln hadn't pressed the issue of Ft. Sumpter, we'd have a divided country and slavery may still be in effect. We would not have been able to fight the Spanish-American War, World War I or World War II, etc... Most of the world would be speaking German. By pressing Ft. Sumpter, 4 years of war and 620,000 men died, but the union was preserved and slavery abolished.

    The disastrous part of it all, in modern times, is that the federal government is too strong relative to the States.
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