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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Speak for yourself. There are a hell of a lot of good young people out there. Get out a little bit more, you'll find them.
    This generation of white people is poorly educated becasue they attended public schools. Public schools can't fire bad teachers. So the kids will fall into the hands of some people during their education who aren't dedicated to them. Same thing happens to black kids, except it's even worse. Black kids get the very worst teachers more often than not, and are simply warehoused.

    My kids are grown. They aren't white. They have parents who made sure that they were never educated by incompetent teachers.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    This is the point others were making on this thread. It's ok to have an ethnicity, a culture.......but not if you are white.
    Really. Explain the widespread celebration of St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, etc. I'm descended from a long, long line of Missouri hillbillies, and I've never felt a need to apologize for that.

    You've created a scenario that doesn't exist, and then attacked it. That's a fallacious method of argumentation (strawman).

    Feel free to prove that variations of white culture aren't regularly celebrated in the U.S. Has your community banned St. Patrick's day?

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So you're confusing the two issues then. One one hand you say that those celebrating the secession are not celebrating slavery. On the other you're saying that they can't celebrate the secession without including the reason for the original secession. Which is absolutely incorrect. You obviously can celebrate or honor or promote the idea that States can secede from the Republic if they feel the Republic no longer serves their needs without bringing up that the last time it was done was done primarily for slavery concerns. It is, in fact, very simple to separate the two out.
    Exactly why should a hostile act by declared enemies of the United States be "celebrated" in this modern era?

    Next...the residents of Oklahoma City "celebrate" the anniversary of the Murrow bombing.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Exactly why should a hostile act by declared enemies of the United States be "celebrated" in this modern era?

    Next...the residents of Oklahoma City "celebrate" the anniversary of the Murrow bombing.
    Catz,

    The United States is a means to an end. Not an end in itself. There is no American culture that all residents of America accept as legitimate. No one has any obligation to anyone else unless she or he recognizes that other person as a member of her or his own version of America.

    Everyone now has the right to demand her or his culture and to exclude other versions of American culture.

    It's called Multiculturalism. It killed unity. Unity will never return.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    This generation of white people is poorly educated becasue they attended public schools. Public schools can't fire bad teachers. So the kids will fall into the hands of some people during their education who aren't dedicated to them. Same thing happens to black kids, except it's even worse. Black kids get the very worst teachers more often than not, and are simply warehoused.

    My kids are grown. They aren't white. They have parents who made sure that they were never educated by incompetent teachers.
    Nice, as luck would have it......I'm a teacher. I've got a newsflash for ya'......kids are getting educated right here, right now irrespective of their color. The single biggest factor limiting educational success isn't the school, their teachers, their class sizes, or the monies spent on education, it's their socio-economic status/culture/sub-culture.

    Not all socio-economic groups/cultures/sub-cultures value education. The rich and middle classes tend to raise their children to value education and encourage them to excell in it. The poor and working classes are a more mixed picture. Poor whites/blacks/hispanics tend to put less value on education as a way to succeed than middle and upper classes do.

    Throw in broken homes, drug and alcohol abuse and you have problems no matter what the culture/socio-economic status of the parents.

    So, it doesn't matter what race your kids are, if you valued education as a means to success in this country and made sure they did their homework and tried as hard as they could, they should succeed in education and do better economically than their compatriots. If you are; using drugs, divorced, didn't raise them with the idea they can succeed in life thru education..............
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Catz,

    The United States is a means to an end. Not an end in itself. There is no American culture that all residents of America accept as legitimate. No one has any obligation to anyone else unless she or he recognizes that other person as a member of her or his own version of America.

    Everyone now has the right to demand her or his culture and to exclude other versions of American culture.

    It's called Multiculturalism. It killed unity. Unity will never return.
    We are hell and gone from a mono-culture. Unity is not in the cards here. The only question I have is how long with the us will continue to be a country.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Really. Explain the widespread celebration of St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day, etc. I'm descended from a long, long line of Missouri hillbillies, and I've never felt a need to apologize for that.

    You've created a scenario that doesn't exist, and then attacked it. That's a fallacious method of argumentation (strawman).

    Feel free to prove that variations of white culture aren't regularly celebrated in the U.S. Has your community banned St. Patrick's day?
    Howdy, cousin. I really don't understand your post. I do understand that, as a white man, I am expected (by rich white liberals) to embrace several liberal concepts I don't much adhere to, you know, being all bitter and clinging to god and guns and all.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Nice, as luck would have it......I'm a teacher. I've got a newsflash for ya'......kids are getting educated right here, right now irrespective of their color. The single biggest factor limiting educational success isn't the school, their teachers, their class sizes, or the monies spent on education, it's their socio-economic status/culture/sub-culture.

    Not all socio-economic groups/cultures/sub-cultures value education. The rich and middle classes tend to raise their children to value education and encourage them to excell in it. The poor and working classes are a more mixed picture. Poor whites/blacks/hispanics tend to put less value on education as a way to succeed than middle and upper classes do.

    Throw in broken homes, drug and alcohol abuse and you have problems no matter what the culture/socio-economic status of the parents.

    So, it doesn't matter what race your kids are, if you valued education as a means to success in this country and made sure they did their homework and tried as hard as they could, they should succeed in education and do better economically than their compatriots. If you are; using drugs, divorced, didn't raise them with the idea they can succeed in life thru education..............
    The proof of the effectiveness of the public school system is in the quality of the education of American children when compared to foreign children who aren't subject to the American public school system.

    American children don't do well in comparison because their educations are generally inferior to the educations children receive in most of the rest of the world.

    What American teachers have produced is a pig's ear, and they are pretending it is a silk purse.

    Teaching is an occupation not a profession. Professionals are fiduciaries who owe a duty to their clients. A duty of competence, loyalty, and the willingness to place their client's interests above their own. That's what lawyers, doctors, CPAs, and other professionals do.

    If a professional screws up, she or he is liable for malpractice. If a teacher screws up nothing happens.

    Teacher's Unions are the main problem. Not parents.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    We are hell and gone from a mono-culture. Unity is not in the cards here. The only question I have is how long with the us will continue to be a country.
    Between ten and twenty more years. Then I think it's game over for this iteration of America.

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Exactly why should a hostile act by declared enemies of the United States be "celebrated" in this modern era?
    Because it emphasises the seat of power. The end all be all is not the federal US government. It exists so long as we allow it to exist. So long as it functions properly and serves the People and the many States appropriately. Once it has failed that for too long, it is well within the rightful power of the States to leave the Republic. Or if it is on a much grander scale, it is the rightful power and duty of the People at large to scrap the government and construct for themselves a new government better beholden to their rights and liberties. It's a reminder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Next...the residents of Oklahoma City "celebrate" the anniversary of the Murrow bombing.
    If they do, it's their choice. I doubt they will, but they also probably shouldn't put daycare centers in federal buildings. Federal buildings are legitimate targets in revolt.
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