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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    Since you have resorted to adhoms I guess we are done.
    We were done the moment you couldn't make a logical argument to defend your claims. BTW, I do think that from your rhetoric here, #3 fits you.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We were done the moment you couldn't make a logical argument to defend your claims. BTW, I do think that from your rhetoric here, #3 fits you.
    That would be a lie.

    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Please point out where anyplace on this forum and this thread I have shown intolerance because of someones race?

    That also pretty much sums up the sorry excuse that you call an argument to defend celebrating a dark stain on our history.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I thought from the thread title that they weren't allowing slaves to celebrate the civil war.
    I was thinking it was one those civil war reenactments and there were not having any slave reenactments.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    Lincoln wanted to preserve the union, he knew if he said slavery had to go it was over. He was trying to avoid the split. It was about primarily slavery from the perspective of the Southern states.
    You are not going to stop this celebration, and never will. You might as well get use to it. Either that or come out against gay pride marches.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    Well it would make you a separatist and a bigot, racist? maybe? I don't know how you feel about blacks and other minority's to make that kind of call, but if you would keep the "Ozarks" for whites only? Yea it sounds racist.
    Well, I see it didn't take long. I was born in the boston mountains of the arkansas ozarks. I choose to live here after "experiencing" much of the rest of the us and a little bit of europe on uncle sam's dime.

    I did not indicate the ozarks should be a white only homeland, but you managed to accuse me of that. I said nothing derogatory about any race or ethnicity. The small college town I inhabit is quite diverse, but you managed to assume the worst here as well. I'm hardly surprised. Ignorance of rural whites, from any part of flyover america, seems endemic among upper class white liberals. Just why is that?

    The fact that my culture is distinct makes no difference to you in any respect. This is the point others were making on this thread. It's ok to have an ethnicity, a culture.......but not if you are white. If you are white you are expected to adopt the social mores of the upper class whites that predominate in the northeast and west coast.

    I reject that concept. Quite frankly, I reject you. You have no right to simply demand I fit your preconceived notions of southerners. You have no right to simply demand I follow your way of life. You have no right to simply damand.............anything of me, or mine.

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    Ozark also refers to a region of people with a distinct culture, architecture,[42][44] and dialect shared by the people who live on the plateau. Early settlers in Missouri were American pioneers who came West from the Southern Appalachians at the beginning of the 19th century,[28][45] followed in the 1840s and 50s by Irish and German immigrants. Much of the Ozark population is of German, English and Scots-Irish descent, often including some Native American ancestry, and the Ozark families from which the regional culture derived[45] tend to have lived in the area since the 19th century.[46]


    Wild strawberries
    Persimmon flowerEarly settlers relied on hunting, fishing and trapping, as well as foraging to supplement their diets and incomes.[28] Today hunting and fishing for recreation are common activities and an important part of the tourist industry. Foraging for mushrooms, especially morels and ginseng, is common, and is financially supported by established buyers in the area. Other forages include poke, watercress, persimmons and pawpaw; wild berries such as blackberry, raspberry, Red Mulberry, Black Cherry, wild strawberry and dewberry; and wild nuts such as black walnut and even acorns.[47] Edible native legumes, wild grasses and wildflowers are plentiful, and beekeeping is common.[48]

    Ozark culture is widely referenced in print and broadcast media. Where the Red Fern Grows, the Shepherd of the Hills[43] and As a Friend[49] are books set in the Ozarks. The 1999 film Ride with the Devil, based on the book Woe to Live On,[50] depicts warfare in Southwest Missouri during the Civil War.[51] Winter's Bone,[52] a novel by Daniel Woodrell (author of Woe to Live On) reflects on contemporary methamphetamine culture and its impact on families on the plateau. Released as a feature film in 2010, Winter's Bone was the recipient of the Grand Jury Prize at the Sundance Film Festival and other awards. Several early and influential country music television and radio programs originated from Springfield in the 1950s and 60s, including ABC-TV's Ozark Jubilee and The Slim Wilson Show on KYTV. The Clampett clan of The Beverly Hillbillies TV show are a stereotypical depiction of Ozark people. Ozark musicians include Porter Wagoner and old-time fiddler Bob Holt.[53] Examples of commercial interpretations of traditional Ozark culture include the two major family theme parks in the region, Silver Dollar City and the now defunct Dogpatch U.S.A., and the resort entertainment complex in Branson. Ozark Folkways in Winslow, Arkansas and Ozark Folk Center in Mountain View, Arkansas interpret regional culture through musical performance and exhibitions of pioneer skills and crafts.

    Traditional Ozark culture includes stories and tunes passed orally between generations through community music parties and other informal gatherings.[54] Many of these tunes and tales can be traced to the British Isles[55] and to German folklore. Moreover, historian Vance Randolph attributes the formation of much Ozark lore to individual families when "backwoods parents begin by telling outrageous whoppers to their children and end by half believing the wildest of these tales themselves."[45] Randolph collected Ozark folklore and lyrics in volumes such as the national bestseller Pissing in the Snow and Other Ozark Folktales (University of Illinois Press, 1976), Ozark Folksongs (University of Missouri Press, 1980), a four-volume anthology of regional songs and ballads collected in the 1920s and 30s,[55] and Ozark Magic and Folklore (Courier Dover Publications, 1964).[45] Evidenced by Randolph's extensive field work, many Ozark anecdotes from the oral tradition are often bawdy, full of wild embellishments on everyday themes.[56][57] In 1941-42, commissioned by Alan Lomax of the Archive of Folk Culture, Randolph returned to the Ozarks with a portable recording machine from the Library of Congress and captured over 800 songs, ballads and instrumentals.[58] Selected from among these several hundred recordings, 35 tracks were released on Various Artists: Ozark Folksongs (Rounder Records) in 2001.[55]


    Boston Mountains in the Arkansas Ozarks.Square dances were an important social avenue throughout the Ozarks into the 20th century.[59][60][61] Square dances sprang up wherever people concentrated around mills and timber camps, springs, fords, and in towns small and large. Geographically isolated communities saw their own local dance tunes and variations develop.[59][60] Of all the traditional musicians in the Ozarks, the fiddler holds a distinct place in both the community and folklore.[59][60] Community fiddlers revered for carrying local tunes; regionally, traveling fiddlers brought new tunes and entertainment, even while many viewed their arrival as a threat to morality.[53][59][60][61] In 2007, Gordon McCann, a chronicler of Ozarks folklife and fiddle music for over four decades, donated a collection of audio recordings, fieldnotes and photographs to Missouri State University in Springfield.[62] The collection includes more than 3,000 hours of fiddle music and interviews recorded at jam sessions, music parties, concerts and dances in the Ozarks. Selected audio recordings along with biographical sketches, photographs and tune histories were published in the 2008 book/CD set Ozarks Fiddle Music: 308 Tunes Featuring 30 Legendary Fiddlers,[63] with selections from 50 other Ozark fiddlers.

    From 1973 to 1983, the Bittersweet project, which began as an English class at Lebanon, Missouri High School, collected 476 taped and transcribed interviews, published 482 stories and took over 50,000 photographs documenting traditional Ozark culture.[64]

    Population influx since the 1950s,[27][29] coupled with geographically lying in both the Midwest and Upper South, proximity to the Mississippi embayment, the Osage and Northern Plains, contributes to changing cultural values in the Ozarks. Theme parks and theatres seen to reflect regional values have little in common with traditional Ozark culture. Community tradition bearers remain active, in decreasing numbers, far afield of commercial offers.[65][66]

    [edit] Religion
    Ozark religion, like that of Appalachia, was predominantly Baptist and Methodist during periods of early settlement; it tends to be conservative, or individualistic, with Anglicans, Assemblies of God, Baptists including Southern Baptists, Church of Christ and other Protestant Pentecostal denominations present, as well as Catholics.[67][68] Religious organizations headquartered in the Ozarks include the Assemblies of God and the Baptist Bible Fellowship International in Springfield, and the Pentecostal Church of God in Joplin. The 1960s and '70s saw back-to-the-land farms and communes established in rural counties.................


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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Nope, not mixed with Black. Black America is fine. But it is a different version of America with it's own unique culture. That culture isn't mine. America is many different countries. Some of those countries don't get along.

    Since Black culture is not mine, there is no reason for me to care about it.

    Actually, I don't think much of this generation of white people. They are pathetically weak. Their fate in America is to become livestock for others.

    While all individuals may be equal, all cultures are not. Some cultures elevate the ideals of education, family cohesion, etc. That's why most East Asian cultures are superior to White American culture and Black American culture.

    Once I was all about American unity. I can remember cheering Floyd Patterson when he fought Ingmar Johanssen. My father was for the white European because he was white. I was for the Black American because he was American. I believed in unity.

    Unity was a part of the past. It will never return. So each group has it's right to it's own identity.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    You are not going to stop this celebration, and never will. You might as well get use to it. Either that or come out against gay pride marches.
    This is stupid. No one said anything about stoping it.

    Please buy a clue or even better read the thread.
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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

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    Re: South celebrates Civil War, largely without slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Well, I see it didn't take long. I was born in the boston mountains of the arkansas ozarks. I choose to live here after "experiencing" much of the rest of the us and a little bit of europe on uncle sam's dime.
    Only because you read things into my statements. Get the chip off your shoulder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I did not indicate the ozarks should be a white only homeland, but you managed to accuse me of that.
    A question mark denotes a question, not a statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I said nothing derogatory about any race or ethnicity. The small college town I inhabit is quite diverse, but you managed to assume the worst here as well. I'm hardly surprised. Ignorance of rural whites, from any part of flyover america, seems endemic among upper class white liberals. Just why is that?
    You tell me?

    I don't know how you feel about blacks and other minority's to make that kind of call, but if you would keep the "Ozarks" for whites only?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The fact that my culture is distinct makes no difference to you in any respect. This is the point others were making on this thread. It's ok to have an ethnicity, a culture.......but not if you are white. If you are white you are expected to adopt the social mores of the upper class whites that predominate in the northeast and west coast.

    I reject that concept. Quite frankly, I reject you. You have no right to simply demand I fit your preconceived notions of southerners. You have no right to simply demand I follow your way of life. You have no right to simply damand.............anything of me, or mine. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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    Ummm you asked me a question and I answered it clearly and honestly. I have not "demanded" anything of you.

    Like I said loose the chip, and don't make knee jerk reactions and you mite just understand what I said.

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    I'm little surprised by anything "you people" say these days.
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