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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah but you're forgetting the whole purpose of American troops being there in the first place, to Defend South Korea from North, once reunification has happened I'm sure a deal will be struck to have American Forces withdrawn. They still have Japan, they wouldn't mind.
    The U.S. actually shutting down one of its bases in a strategically valuable area? No way.

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    As for China and surrounded by Democracies? Their biggest trading partner in the world is a democracy, I don't think they're concerned about it. They don't have mass hysteria about democracy, as Americans do about communism.
    China doesn't care about the political orientation of its trading partners. Everyone needs China and China knows it. We could hate China's guts and we would still have to trade with them in order to remain competitive in the current scheme. But that doesn't mean China will ignore basic security concerns near its borders.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah but you're forgetting the whole purpose of American troops being there in the first place, to Defend South Korea from North,....
    The portion of your post quoted above is factually incorrect. US troops came to the rescue of South Korea in order to defend Japan.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Uh, wrong.

    China has expressed this privately according to the leaks.
    Actually, more like junior foreign ministry lackeys... this has nothing to do with officials who really matter...
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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah but you're forgetting the whole purpose of American troops being there in the first place, to Defend South Korea from North, once reunification has happened I'm sure a deal will be struck to have American Forces withdrawn. They still have Japan, they wouldn't mind.

    As for China and surrounded by Democracies? Their biggest trading partner in the world is a democracy, I don't think they're concerned about it. They don't have mass hysteria about democracy, as Americans do about communism.
    If you could read Chinese, you would have a different opinion of this...
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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If you could read Chinese, you would have a different opinion of this...
    I've noticed in my time in China that they don't necessarily come out and trash democracy directly. They sort of couch the hatred of it in cultural terms by referring to Chinese governance as "our way of life" vs. "the American way of life". You know how dictatorships can be with their clever wording of things.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The surprising part would be that China is ready to, "to accept Korean reunification ", under a capitalist, democratic government.

    Runification? Yes. Reunification under anything less than a Communist--or socialist--government? I don't buy it.
    China hasn't been interested in exporting ideology since the days of Mao. And even if it was, communism/socialism certainly wouldn't be its ideology of choice.
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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    HA! Chinease are notorious for saying what you want to hear. Until the final moment they won't tell you the truth. Its part of their customs to avoid conflict. They will be all nice and such but when you go for the business signing. They won't sign it and they will tell you no.
    I think that American diplomats who have spent their entire lives studying China are well aware of the cultural differences and fully take that into account when writing memos. It's not a matter of them "not telling the truth," it's just a different cultural perception. And any reasonably adept American who has spent some time in the culture should be able to read between the lines of what they directly say.
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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm also a little skeptical. First of all, any transition would have to involve willful cooperation from NK, and I don't think that is going to happen. NK giving up its current powers?

    Also... if there is a reunification, do people seriously think that China will want the new Korea to be democratic? That would mean China being surrounded on all sides by democracies. And with American soldiers stationed there? You can forget it. NK has been the geographic gateway to China. They are not going to let America sit at the door like that.
    They probably wouldn't want American troops on their border, but I see no reason to think they'd have a problem with a democratic Korea. China doesn't particularly care what ideology its neighbors adopt, they just care if they're friendly to China.

    And China isn't surrounded by democracies. Of the 14 countries that border China, only 2 (Mongolia and India) are rated "Free" by Freedom House. Another 3 (Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan) are "Partly Free." All the others are unfree.
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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I've noticed in my time in China that they don't necessarily come out and trash democracy directly. They sort of couch the hatred of it in cultural terms by referring to Chinese governance as "our way of life" vs. "the American way of life". You know how dictatorships can be with their clever wording of things.
    I don't see what's so horrible about that. Lots of countries, including liberal European democracies, are fond of comparing their way of life to the American way of life.
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