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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    You guys do know that the wikileaks only represent what the US thinks China thinks correct?
    No. They don't.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Animus View Post
    You guys do know that the wikileaks only represent what the US thinks China thinks correct?
    Uh, wrong.

    China has expressed this privately according to the leaks.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Uh, wrong.

    China has expressed this privately according to the leaks.
    HA! Chinease are notorious for saying what you want to hear. Until the final moment they won't tell you the truth. Its part of their customs to avoid conflict. They will be all nice and such but when you go for the business signing. They won't sign it and they will tell you no.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Wikileaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm | World news | The Guardian

    More confirmation of the chinese government wanting unification.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Xenologist View Post
    Wikileaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm | World news | The Guardian

    More confirmation of the chinese government wanting unification.
    Everyone wants unification, even the North Koreans.



    Unification Arch in Pyongyang.

    This ain't news. The only issue is what form unification will take place in and how long it will take. Economists reckon that if the South were to absorb the North tommorow, the economy would tank, it has to be done more slowly and carefully then German Reunification.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Yes, but in the article it says they supported re-unification under the southern korean government. While i wouldn't call this concrete evidence, it does lend its support to the idea of china supporting reunification under the south korean government.

    and clearly when we finally get to a point where plans are laid out for reunification, its going to have to be a slow process. But even just getting to a point where that can begin is going to be rough riding.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Xenologist View Post
    Yes, but in the article it says they supported re-unification under the southern korean government. While i wouldn't call this concrete evidence, it does lend its support to the idea of china supporting reunification under the south korean government.

    and clearly when we finally get to a point where plans are laid out for reunification, its going to have to be a slow process. But even just getting to a point where that can begin is going to be rough riding.
    Glad to see there's some pragmatists in Beijing, the chinese aren't stupid man, I'll give them that. Not as dogmatic as the Soviet Union was.

    I really think if there's gonna be any reunification, I think China, and not America will have to take the lead in it from the outside. If they managed to work a deal with the New Leader after Kim Jong Il, it could happen.

    But that's pretty wishful thinking.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Frankly, I don't buy it. It may be the statements of some officials, but nothing from the politburo or the policies and actions of China's government indicate this whatsoever. Even when the Chinese recently did not veto sanctions against the DPRK, they go ahead and ship more across the "Friendship Bridge" at Dandong...
    China is saying one thing to American diplomats, but China's words and actions are inconsistent. This phenomenon is called duplicity. It works because American diplomacy is based on the triumph of hope over experience.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    I'm also a little skeptical. First of all, any transition would have to involve willful cooperation from NK, and I don't think that is going to happen. NK giving up its current powers?

    Also... if there is a reunification, do people seriously think that China will want the new Korea to be democratic? That would mean China being surrounded on all sides by democracies. And with American soldiers stationed there? You can forget it. NK has been the geographic gateway to China. They are not going to let America sit at the door like that.

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    Re: Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I'm also a little skeptical. First of all, any transition would have to involve willful cooperation from NK, and I don't think that is going to happen. NK giving up its current powers?

    Also... if there is a reunification, do people seriously think that China will want the new Korea to be democratic? That would mean China being surrounded on all sides by democracies. And with American soldiers stationed there? You can forget it. NK has been the geographic gateway to China. They are not going to let America sit at the door like that.

    Ah but you're forgetting the whole purpose of American troops being there in the first place, to Defend South Korea from North, once reunification has happened I'm sure a deal will be struck to have American Forces withdrawn. They still have Japan, they wouldn't mind.

    As for China and surrounded by Democracies? Their biggest trading partner in the world is a democracy, I don't think they're concerned about it. They don't have mass hysteria about democracy, as Americans do about communism.

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