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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you knowingly air classified information then you are no better than the person who leaked it. It doesn't if you call yourself a journalist, web site operator or a spy.
    Haven't you ever heard of the First Amendment of our Constitution? It gives them the right to print any information that comes their way. For the person that stole the information, that's a completely different story.


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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Almost all of the stuff these leaks contain have already been mentioned on alternative media sites. All WikiLeaks does is help us prove our point. I always get a good laugh watching the people at the top go into panic mode when tax payers get a dose of truth.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

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    Call'em what you want, they're outlaws, and should be dealt with.
    Outlaws? yes. Terrorists? No.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    News flash for the congressman: Australia is not a State in the United States of America.

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    News flash for the congressman: Australia is not a State in the United States of America.
    Aw darn, let's go annex it then....
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Free press does not mean they can aid in releasing classified info.
    Free press means that they can print anything that comes their way and if they feel like printing it. Our FF's wanted a free press for a reason. That reason was to keep the people informed. And obviously they didn't want the government to be able to stop the press from printing things it didn't like or they wouldn't have had the right to free press put into the 1st amendment. Here are a few words from our founding fathers.

    The basis of our government being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate for a moment to prefer the latter. Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Releasing classified info, airing it or giving it directly to the enemy is an accessory.
    The press does not give it directly to the enemy. For that to happen they would have to literally put it in their hands. But they don't. They air it or send it out to news stands with which ANYONE can get ahold of it. The enemy getting ahold of it is a side effect yes. But you would have to prove that the Press intentionally printed out the info in order to purposely give it to the enemy. If you cannot then you are doing nothing but trying to keep them from doing their job. Which is to keep the American people informed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is no double standard. Freedom of press and freedom of speech does not mean you can leak classified info. I am against virtual strip searches because they violate the 4th amendment. Me not getting stripped searched does not aid in a crime. A constitutional right does not mean you can get away with a crime. For example my right to keep and bear arms does not mean I can legally murder people or randomly shoot at people for the hell of it.
    And demanding that the press not print news worthy info on pain of death (the sentence for treason) violates the 1st amendment. Especially when the FF's specifically wanted the press to be able to print/air anything...even things that was bad for the government. Where is your outrage for this? Is your right to privacy worth more than the press's right to print the news that they get?

    Now don't get me wrong. I have no problem with trying the people that leaked the info originally to the press in a court of law on charges of treason or espionage. But saying that the press deserves the same treatment for doing thier jobs is too extreme for me. The government does not have a free pass when it comes to what the press reports. Nor should they.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Haven't you ever heard of the First Amendment of our Constitution? It gives them the right to print any information that comes their way.
    For the person that stole the information, that's a completely different story.
    It takes two to tango. The press aired this info knowing that our enemies could get a hold of it. Just like 2nd amendment rights does not give anyone the right to go on a shooting rampage the 1st amendment does not give you the right to divulge classified info to our enemies and anyone else. Because by your logic the traitors have a right to free speech and therefore should get off scott free because they were exercising their first amendment rights to speech.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It takes two to tango. The press aired this info knowing that our enemies could get a hold of it. Just like 2nd amendment rights does not give anyone the right to go on a shooting rampage the 1st amendment does not give you the right to divulge classified info to our enemies and anyone else. Because by your logic the traitors have a right to free speech and therefore should get off scott free because they were exercising their first amendment rights to speech.
    Have there been any resultant deaths due to wikileaks? Pray tell... who else in our country deserves to be executed for treason?

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It takes two to tango. The press aired this info knowing that our enemies could get a hold of it. Just like 2nd amendment rights does not give anyone the right to go on a shooting rampage the 1st amendment does not give you the right to divulge classified info to our enemies and anyone else. Because by your logic the traitors have a right to free speech and therefore should get off scott free because they were exercising their first amendment rights to speech.
    Did you feel the same way when conservative columnist Robert Novak published the identity of CIA NOC Valerie Plame? A little birdie tells me you didn't.


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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Did you feel the same way when conservative columnist Robert Novak published the identity of CIA NOC Valerie Plame? A little birdie tells me you didn't.

    Plame's name being published was not a crime. Further, it was a leftie that was the first to drop her name in the first place. And to the thread, the people that are trying to classify WikiLeaks as some sort of News outlet are making me laugh.

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