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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you knowingly air classified information then you are no better than the person who leaked it. It doesn't if you call yourself a journalist, web site operator or a spy.
    Exactly right and I believe they should be treated with the same legal logic that charges the guy setting in the get away car with murder if one of the primary robbers kills or is killed.

    People who knowingly post anything that a reasonable person could conclude might result in the death of anyone should be tried for murder 1, and face the same fate as any terrorist once found guilty, and that is the death penalty.

    Any rational reporter with and once of American blood in their vanes would never expose another person to the prospect of death.

    However i don't believe this would be true of the "Firsters" like the wonks on MSNBC they would gleefully pass on any information that would place any Conservative in jeopardy because they are Un-American from head to toe.

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Pretty damn sure you cant just start calling news outlets terrorists. Why dont they just call the mafia and wack em?
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Pretty damn sure you cant just start calling news outlets terrorists. Why dont they just call the mafia and wack em?
    Because the world is watching?

    Actually I look for a government other than the U.S. do some damage. They aren't just pissing off the U.S.

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What poppycock. News people doing thier job does not mean that they are just as bad as the people who originally leaked the info.
    It is not a reporters job to air classify info. When they knowingly air classified info they are just as bad or worse than traitor who gave them the info.

    What happened to freedom of the press?Tell me...what was your stance on the body scanners in airports again? And why is it that you believe that?
    Freedom of the press does not mean you can get away with being an accessory to a crime. They are like the guy who knowingly buys stolen property or aids someone in a murder or a theft.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is not a reporters job to air classify info. When they knowingly air classified info they are just as bad or worse than traitor who gave them the info.
    No, it is the reporters job to report/air news. Classified info is news if leaked out. If they are prohibited from reporting what they have found out then they are no longer free to report what they find out. In other words there is no longer free press. Something that is protected in the 1st amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Freedom of the press does not mean you can get away with being an accessory to a crime. They are like the guy who knowingly buys stolen property or aids someone in a murder or a theft.
    News is news. Buying stolen property or helping to commit murder are two tottally different things compared. To attach them to this kind of thing is nothing more than an appeal to emotion.

    Btw, why didn't you answer my question? Afraid that you would be shown to have a double standard?
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Because the world is watching?

    Actually I look for a government other than the U.S. do some damage. They aren't just pissing off the U.S.
    Well I'll chip in $5. Well worth it!
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, it is the reporters job to report/air news. Classified info is news if leaked out. If they are prohibited from reporting what they have found out then they are no longer free to report what they find out. In other words there is no longer free press. Something that is protected in the 1st amendment.
    Free press does not mean they can aid in releasing classified info.



    News is news. Buying stolen property or helping to commit murder are two tottally different things compared. To attach them to this kind of thing is nothing more than an appeal to emotion.
    Releasing classified info, airing it or giving it directly to the enemy is an accessory.
    Btw, why didn't you answer my question? Afraid that you would be shown to have a double standard?
    There is no double standard. Freedom of press and freedom of speech does not mean you can leak classified info. I am against virtual strip searches because they violate the 4th amendment. Me not getting stripped searched does not aid in a crime. A constitutional right does not mean you can get away with a crime. For example my right to keep and bear arms does not mean I can legally murder people or randomly shoot at people for the hell of it.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Terrorism is obviously an incorrect label. They aren't trying to create fear in support of some cause or other.

    Treason doesn't work either, they aren't Americans. (although the guys who give them the information might be in some cases)

    Espionage? They were given the information, as far as I know they didn't set out in some attempt to acquire it.

    "Receipt/possession of stolen goods" is about as close as I can get.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wouldn't call them terrorists but those who leaked info to them should be tried for treason or some other crime and then executed.
    You can not execute an Austrailian for not being loyal to the US

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You can not execute an Austrailian for not being loyal to the US
    Did I say the Australian should be executed for treason? I stated "those who leaked info to them(wikileaks) should be tried for treason or some other crime and then executed. This statement would imply that those in the US military and who ever the hell else from the US who leaked info to wikileaks should be executed for treason or some other crime.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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