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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

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    They are stealing and putting lives at risk. They are outlaws and should be arrested.
    How are they putting lives at risk? No one has been killed or maimed due to their past dumps
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

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    How are they putting lives at risk? No one has been killed or maimed due to their past dumps

    How do you know that for a fact? how can you be so positive that situations won't arise due to these leaks?

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

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    How do you know that for a fact? how can you be so positive that situations won't arise due to these leaks?

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    Are you saying that now that these leaks are known, our government and military are completely unable to handle it and cannot adapt and evolve to the current situation at hand? Wow...you really sell them short.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Are you saying that now that these leaks are known, our government and military are completely unable to handle it and cannot adapt and evolve to the current situation at hand? Wow...you really sell them short.
    I am saying that there could be consequences unforeseen nor cared about from the likes of Assange/Soros. Look, if I made an equally definitive statement about anything in these boards Ikari, I could almost bet that you would call me on it. So why do you protect it now?

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am saying that there could be consequences unforeseen nor cared about from the likes of Assange/Soros. Look, if I made an equally definitive statement about anything in these boards Ikari, I could almost bet that you would call me on it. So why do you protect it now?

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    Because nothing I have seen would seem to indicate that our troops are in any more danger now than they were before. I'm not going to assume that they are. We'll wait and see. But the worst that leaks can do is to give away information about movements/positions/identities of people in the field, unable to communicate, or in middle of an operation they cannot withdraw from so that ambush becomes easy to set up. But they've had time now, and while we're still in war zones (our pointless, aggressive, interventionist war "strategy", BTW, has put well more Americans at risk than these leaks will ever do) they can adapt and make different plans. I don't see how the "leaks" would stop any of our plans or significantly change the danger levels particularly since we've had time to learn about them and adapt to their presence.

    I'm not going to jump to conclusions saying "OMG, information came out and now we're all doomed....DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!".
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because nothing I have seen would seem to indicate that our troops are in any more danger now than they were before. I'm not going to assume that they are. We'll wait and see. But the worst that leaks can do is to give away information about movements/positions/identities of people in the field, unable to communicate, or in middle of an operation they cannot withdraw from so that ambush becomes easy to set up. But they've had time now, and while we're still in war zones (our pointless, aggressive, interventionist war "strategy", BTW, has put well more Americans at risk than these leaks will ever do) they can adapt and make different plans. I don't see how the "leaks" would stop any of our plans or significantly change the danger levels particularly since we've had time to learn about them and adapt to their presence.

    I'm not going to jump to conclusions saying "OMG, information came out and now we're all doomed....DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!".

    I think you are taking my position to the extreme a little here. Look, can you imagine a scenario where someone that was working with us in say Afghanistan now pulls away, or gets killed because his name is now known by the enemy? or not? or you don't care?

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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think you are taking my position to the extreme a little here. Look, can you imagine a scenario where someone that was working with us in say Afghanistan now pulls away, or gets killed because his name is now known by the enemy? or not? or you don't care?

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    I don't think that they disclosed the names of any spys, did they? If so, then yes that's a possibility. But for the average soldier, I don't think that the terrorists are targeting a specific guy. I think they shoot at whomever has the uniform on....and civilians.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think that they disclosed the names of any spys, did they?

    Our Government thinks so.

    Updated | 12:36 p.m. A spokesman for the Taliban told Britain’s Channel 4 News on Thursday that the insurgent group is scouring classified American military documents posted online by the group WikiLeaks for information to help them find and “punish” Afghan informers.

    Speaking by telephone from an undisclosed location, Zabihullah Mujahid, who frequently contacts news organizations, including The Times on behalf of the Taliban, said, “We are studying the report.” He added:

    We knew about the spies and people who collaborate with U.S. forces. We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them.

    Steve Coll, an expert on the region and a former senior editor of The Washington Post, said in a New Yorker podcast on Thursday, “my reading of the disclosure of these informants in the context of Taliban-menaced southern Afghanistan is that people named in those documents have a reasonable belief that they are going to get killed, or — actually the way it works with the Taliban is, if they can’t find you, they’ll take your brother instead.”

    Taliban Study WikiLeaks to Hunt Informants - NYTimes.com

    Beautiful....Thanks Jullian!


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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How do you know that for a fact? how can you be so positive that situations won't arise due to these leaks?

    j-mac
    Has it ever been reported that anyone has been killed or maimed due to the past dumps? No. Is it possible that it may happen this time around yes, but I base it on what has happened, not what I am afraid will happen.
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    Re: Congressman wants WikiLeaks listed as terrorist group

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Has it ever been reported that anyone has been killed or maimed due to the past dumps? No. Is it possible that it may happen this time around yes, but I base it on what has happened, not what I am afraid will happen.
    Oh I see, so if the MSM doesn't report it, it doesn't happen....I see.


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