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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Government Private Difference
    Computer, information systems manager $122,020 $115,705 $6,315
    Crane, tower operator $54,900 $44,044 $10,856
    Graphic designer $70,820 $46,565 $24,255
    Librarian $76,110 $63,284 $12,826
    Public relations manager $132,410 $88,241 $44,169

    I may have the percentages wrong on these specific jobs but these salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which also needs to be factored in, because we are talking about cost savings.

    I hope all this tells you something of interest.
    Start from the bottom...the average PR employee is just another GS5-7 hack. Even a govt PR office manager isnt going to make that much...whereas a PR marketing professional...one in charge of the civilian sector office is going to make significantly more. You have to compare apples to apples, not apples to red truck.

    Public Relations Director - Marketing Career Profile
    PR Marketing Manager- Average salary is $104,837. It's reported that more than 50% of Public Relation Directors earn between $92,668 and $125,235.
    Education/Experience Requirements: A Bachelors degree with at least 7 years of field experience.

    A GS-13 Public Relations manager will likely have 20+ years in the position and at least a masters degree if not a doctorate.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Ok, so initiated a bunch of federal hires, paid them way over the going rate, then froze their pay.

    And this is a solution?

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    For Obama to put a freeze on any spending, is a shock to the system.
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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    The pay freeze in persepective.

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The pay freeze in persepective.

    Provided they dont spend approximately the same amount in fact finding trips and vacations.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    That’s not going to have much of an impact when it comes down to the deficit. Remember every single year we have a deficit which is over 1 trillion dollars.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    .................................................. ..........Government Private Difference
    Computer, information systems manager....$122,020.....$115,705 ...$6,315
    Crane, tower operator...............................$54,900.... ...$44,044 .....$10,856
    Graphic designer ......................................$70,820..... ..$46,565......$24,255
    Librarian .................................................. $76,110.......$63,284......$12,826
    Public relations manager ............................$132,410 ....$88,241 .....$44,169

    I may have the percentages wrong on these specific jobs but these salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which also needs to be factored in, because we are talking about cost savings.

    I hope all this tells you something of interest.
    This only tells amounts, but not how they calculated them or where the obtained them. You don't know anything about the populations being sampled.
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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This only tells amounts, but not how they calculated them or where the obtained them. You don't know anything about the populations being sampled.
    I suspect they're being very clever on picking a "typical" worker in that industry. "See, a secret service agent makes all this money but a mall cop makes minimum wage! RARR OVERPAID FEDS!" I mean, both might be described as a "security agent."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I suspect they're being very clever on picking a "typical" worker in that industry. "See, a secret service agent makes all this money but a mall cop makes minimum wage! RARR OVERPAID FEDS!" I mean, both might be described as a "security agent."
    Yeah, but I bet a crane operator that works for the government is purdy much the same as a crane operator that works out in the real world.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Okay, scratch that....

    **** Congress. They're asses are exempt yet the rest of the governments getting cut? And the postal workers union manages to get them exempt, with them being one of the larger work forces?

    It amazes me that Republicans talk about "class warfare", and then immedietely look to punish one class of workers over another and even then both sides are playing favorites.

    I don't doubt there's a large amount of Federal Employee's that would happily sacrifice a bit of their pay to help reduce the spending of government. But when you're exempting large groups of people, allowing the politicians to continue to bump THEIR money up, and then just run off and spend the money on frivilous programs rather than the debt then many of us lose that desire to "sacrifice".

    Especially when you're adding potential furloughs on top of it, potentially looking at a net 7% DECREASE in the rather paltry salary comparitive to other positions and time served for the large majority of federal employees.

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