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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is nothing. Government workers make on average more than twice and in some cases 3 times what the equivalent private sector works make, plus a benefit package that out strips almost all private sector jobs.

    The main thing I think is the Unions which should be outlawed will object and Obama will cave. He owes the 08 election to Unions ACORN and others.
    Excuse me, but we're talking about federal government workers, not private sector factory workers. How do unions fit into a pay freeze on federal employees?

    Regardless, as usual, no matter what this man does the pundits will never be satisfied.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I have no doubt that Democrats and liberals in general will say how wonderful this idea is, and thank Obama for putting it forth....

    One 'tiny little problem though'...
    Obama's Federal Worker Pay Freeze Was Blasted By Democrats Months Ago | TPMDC


    McCain also proposed this as part of a larger spending freeze during the election... and was blasted by Obama. Shoe's on the other foot now, huh.
    Alright, so now that he has had a difference of opinion it means he has caved to public pressure? Or was it a bad idea to disregard a federal pay freeze then but a good idea to do so now? Kinda like how the Republicans now have a different take on the individual health insurance. It was fine back when it was HillaryCare but now that it's ObamaCare they've suddenly come down with a new point of view on the matter.

    Look, a pay freeze is good move. It's better than mass layoffs. Besides, if the economy continues to improve, the pay freeze won't matter much as long as we don't hit an inflationary period.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Somehow if a Republican president had taken this step I have a feeling the conservatives here would be pattinghim on the back and offering their hosannas.
    Absolutely! It's a good idea if they do it; bad idea if the other guy does it.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Look, a pay freeze is good move. It's better than mass layoffs. Besides, if the economy continues to improve, the pay freeze won't matter much as long as we don't hit an inflationary period.
    I didn't say it was a bad idea. I was for it when McCain proposed it, and when the GOP proposed it, and I am STILL for it now that Obama is proposing it. I'm simply pointing out his flip-floppiness on the issue.

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Right lesson, wrong time. After the economy recovers, sure, by all means freeze federal pay for a few years. But doing it now is just crazy. We want people to spend MORE, not less, in order to get the economy to recover. Why is it that we have been running massive deficits for a decade, and people suddenly start caring about it at the worst possible moment, when unemployment is over 9%?

    Anyway, I agree with those who say that it's a drop in the bucket. It's not going to put much of a dent in the deficit. I'm more concerned about the short-term consequences of this.
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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I didn't say it was a bad idea. I was for it when McCain proposed it, and when the GOP proposed it, and I am STILL for it now that Obama is proposing it. I'm simply pointing out his flip-floppiness on the issue.
    So you think he should stick to his own ideas and not try to implement some things Republicans have suggested?

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers | Reuters



    Well, it's a start. It's a little dent in the deficit, but it's something. Maybe next we can talk about something significant? :P

    I wish they'd put in an exemption for air traffic control, though. I'm writing a research paper on the subject right now, and the staffing situation there is already critical. The FAA can't afford to push any more experienced controllers out the door.
    As a federal employee Im fine with this. It doesnt impact bonuses or step raises and its not like we were killing it with COLA increases. My only problem is that like every other 'increase' all this does is enables the fed to spend more money. Im still waiting to see the plan to actually reduce the debt...hell...to announce an annual budget without a deficit. Until then...its..."wee....look at me...I'm doing something important!"

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I wish you could show me what jobs those are.
    Its called "talking out of ones ass." He heard that somewhere...so it must be true.

    Before anyone applauds any of this...can ANYONE point to the part where government is required now to spend 5 billion dollars (the amount they expect to 'save') less and guarantee we dont have an annual budget deficit next year?

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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's a word for what's happening here. Com...compro.... gah, can't think of it.
    Actually, the word is, "desperation". Obama's desperate to appear that he's doing something about deficit spending. If he really cared about compromise, or even about deficit spending, he would have never authorized over a trillion dollars to be spent on useless stimulus gimmics.
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    Re: Obama proposes pay freeze for federal workers

    No one ever provided the detail on which they based the news story that fed employees make two or three times as much as private counterparts. Does anyone really believe that such a claim could possibly be true? Two to three times, and we're only finding out now? And no one questions it, they just run around saying govt employees make galactically large salaries. Civil servant pay is a highly managed systems, not like California city councilmen.
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