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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If it costs someone their life does that possibly qualify as a long term consequence, or does it depend on if they are personally known to to you or maybe a family member?
    Point to the names of people whose lives you feel will be threatened, then we'll talk.

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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm sure that foreign newspapers and wikileaks will be similarly circumspect.
    With a team of more than 50 reporters and researchers, SPIEGEL has viewed, analyzed and vetted the mass of documents. In most cases, the magazine has sought to protect the identities of the Americans' informants, unless the person who served as the informant was senior enough to be politically relevant. In some cases, the US government expressed security concerns and SPIEGEL accepted a number of such objections. In other cases, however, SPIEGEL felt the public interest in reporting the news was greater than the threat to security. Throughout our research, SPIEGEL reporters and editors weighed the public interest against the justified interest of countries in security and confidentiality.
    The Guardian has made the same approach. No idea about El Pais and Le Monde. I believe Wikileaks itself is taking the same tact. Criticise it when it actually happens.

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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    If the Wikileaks info is supposed to surprise me, colour me unimpressed. There appears to be nothing here that will have long term consequences.
    The long term consequence is that America cannot be trusted with intelligence from foreign intelligence services because Americans can't keep secrets. This drives a stake into the heart of American intelligence.

    But that's a good thing if it weakens the US Govt. The federal govt. is a force for evil.

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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The Guardian has made the same approach. No idea about El Pais and Le Monde. I believe Wikileaks itself is taking the same tact. Criticise it when it actually happens.
    Yeah. Wikileaks is a model of scrupulousness.
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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The Guardian has made the same approach. No idea about El Pais and Le Monde. I believe Wikileaks itself is taking the same tact. Criticise it when it actually happens.
    No, I'll criticize now. The secrecy of our sources should not be subject to the balancing tests of foreign editorial boards.
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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    No, I'll criticize now. The secrecy of our sources should not be subject to the balancing tests of foreign editorial boards.
    That isn't what your original post implied. You claim that foreign news sources would be less responsible than the NYT. When that happens, you can criticise them.

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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    That isn't what your original post implied. You claim that foreign news sources would be less responsible than the NYT. When that happens, you can criticise them.
    Both of my posts imply the exact same thing - foreigners use very different standards when determining whether the benefit of publishing something outweighs the harms to the US. I don't trust foreign editorial boards (or domestic ones for that matter) to do what's in the best interest of the country and I certainly don't trust wikileaks. I'll criticize now, thanks.
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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    If you don't trust the domestic ones, why on earth would you value the NYT's promise to be circumspect over Der Spiegels or any others overseas? That's what you implied originally.

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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    If you don't trust the domestic ones, why on earth would you value the NYT's promise to be circumspect over Der Spiegels or any others overseas? That's what you implied originally.
    ...

    I trust the NYT this much: [...].
    I trust foreign editorial boards this much: [..].
    I trust wikileaks this much: [.].

    Note: None of these are large amounts.
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    Re: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis

    a bunch of crap here
    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    As I posted yesterday Obama could at any point shut down this Enemy of the United States and the West at any minute.

    Why has he not ordered shutting it down?

    Could it be that he is secretly enjoying seeing this information leaking out all the time?
    tell us how Obama prevents this information from being disseminated on the net

    We know it has to involve someone pretty high up in the Administration or Government higher than a Pfc. or the information would be much more limited in scope.

    A Pfc. Bradley Manning is accused of leaking diplomatic cables and other classified documents to WikiLeaks, and if this is true how does he have access to such a wide variety of information.
    what rank would you have doing the grunt work instead of the pfc?

    If President Bush were allowing this to go on when we know the ability to stop it is only a few key strokes away the Anti-American, blame America "Firsters" would be screaming for his head on a platter.
    you have to be kidding. it was bush's white house that was committing the leaks. or have you forgotten about the intentional disclosure of a covert CIA agent, a leak made purely for partisan politics

    If this is and I believe it is putting lives at risk and it it does cause anyone to die who ever is behind and or involved in any way are guilty of treason and should face the death penalty regardless of who the hell it is or how high it goes.
    point out what would be found treasonable

    I believe that since Julian Assange Wikileaks founder has said he wants to bring down America
    do you have a cite indicating he has actually said that; if so, please post it as i have not seen reference to such a statement until reading your post
    I see this SOB as a legitimate target just like any we have gone after with the Predator in the past.
    why, because he prints factual information that our government and others would rather be concealed from public view
    why are you so opposed to the truth being exposed that you would be willing to kill someone to accomplish that end?
    I also see anyone who supports and or defends him as an enemy who should be dealt with with any and all the force available.
    then you must consider me your enemy as i appreciate and applaud those who have the courage and means to blow the whistle, exposing wrongdoing
    In light of the knowledge this could have all been prevented Obama's protests are hollow window dressing at best.
    you say there is knowledge all of this [whistle blowing, it is presumed] could have been prevented. again, explain how it could have been silenced
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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