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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Too bad she wasn't simply advocating the killing and subjugation of people instead of indulging in symbolic protest. She would have been given free television time to promote her politically correct hatred instead of being arrested.

    Radical Muslims given Channel 4 slot - Telegraph
    Britain, and indeed Western Europe, is going down the tubes even more rapidly than predicted. It is a lesson for every other democracy in the free world.

    At least they got a good shot of this guy picking his nose.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Britain, and indeed Western Europe, is going down the tubes even more rapidly than predicted. It is a lesson for every other democracy in the free world.

    At least they got a good shot of this guy picking his nose.

    "Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder" -- Arnold Toynbee.

    The death wish is strong among some, isn't it?
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you really think there's no problem with a student burning a book in school? Heck it doesn't have to be the Koran or the Bible, it can be anything. Its the act of setting fire to an object while at school which is the undeniable fact.

    I never said that noticed I said "I am sure they could have had her arrested for lighting something on fire at school." This does not matter if its a book, desk, lighter fluid squirted out in the middle of the floor and set on fire or what ever else.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Burning books destroys the ideas within, for those who have not read them as well as for future generations.

    Books are ideas, and burning them, or censoring them, is an attempt to discourage those ideas. It is the powerful trying to control the less powerful.

    But such was not the case with this young girl in Britain.
    If she gathered up all the Korans in the world and burned them and deleted every online version and computer document of a koran and deleted them then you might have a point.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't think you understand US hate speech laws. In the US, hate speech is constituted by speech which calls directly for violence against a group. Preaching intolerance (witness: Westboro Baptist Church) is not outlawed. Outlawed is saying "kill them".
    Threats are not considered hate speech.
    Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Laws concerning hate speech outside of obscenity, defamation and incitement to riot are illegal in the United States.[33][34][35] The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.[36] Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[37] This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities



    Sure, in some European countries hate speech laws include being rude about a funny stereotype, or displaying a flag - but not in the US. One must call for actual harm against a group before we say "ok, your right is infringing on ours too much".

    It's not like arresting someone for blasphemy or a step above. In fact, it has nothing to do with ideology - so your blasphemy comparison is right out. It's exactly like arresting someone for calling for the killing/harming of a group.

    You are telling me that arresting people for burning korans and making cartoons of Mohamed is not akin to jailing someone for blasphemy


    ps. In your "Location:", could you please put an 's' at the end of "exist", or is it some kind of quote and I'm just ig'nant.

    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    You are telling me that arresting people for burning korans and making cartoons of Mohamed is not akin to jailing someone for blasphemy
    She, presumably, got arrested for lighting something on fire on school grounds.

    Who got arrested for "making cartoons of Mohamed"?


    I think you might have invented both of the above events.


    Threats are not considered hate speech.

    Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Laws concerning hate speech outside of obscenity, defamation and incitement to riot are illegal in the United States.[33][34][35] The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.[36] Even in cases where speech encourages illegal violence, instances of incitement qualify as criminal only if the threat of violence is imminent.[37] This strict standard prevents prosecution of many cases of incitement, including prosecution of those advocating violent opposition to the government, and those exhorting violence against racial, ethnic, or gender minorities
    Don't expect others to read your references if you do not. I mean, c'mon, it references threats explicitly in, like, the third sentence! wth

    It's nice that you proved yourself wrong, and all, but let's not furthur pretend it did not happen.

    Bizarre.

    As I wrote before, US hate speech laws are concerned with the imminent threat of violence against a group (I suppose person too). They have nothing to do with race, ethnicity, gender nor religion.



    10 e-bucks says you don't understand hate crime legislation either.
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    She, presumably, got arrested for lighting something on fire on school grounds.

    Who got arrested for "making cartoons of Mohamed"?


    I think you might have invented both of the above events.

    Liverpool Daily Post - News - Liverpool News - Atheist accused of leaving insulting religious images in Liverpool’s John Lennon airport prayer room

    Atheist faces jail for leaving cartoons in prayer room | MediaWatchWatch

    Belarus jails Prophet Mohammad cartoon publisher | Reuters

    Scotfella: Six UK Men Jailed as Racists for Burning Koran




    Don't expect others to read your references if you do not. I mean, c'mon, it references threats explicitly in, like, the third sentence! wth

    It's nice that you proved yourself wrong, and all, but let's not furthur pretend it did not happen.

    Bizarre.

    As I wrote before, US hate speech laws are concerned with the imminent threat of violence against a group (I suppose person too). They have nothing to do with race, ethnicity, gender nor religion.
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    If someone makes a threat it is not treated as hate speech but making a threat. This is nowhere near the same page as jailing a priest because he said homosexuality is a sin or because he drew a cartoon of Mohamed or burned a koran.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 11-28-10 at 11:39 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    At the risk of gloating, I'd like to make one more note about this:

    It's an idea. And the only way to destroy an idea is to destroy the people who believe in it.
    Even if you could kill everyone who believed (in?) the idea, it could re-appear. In fact, the idea is more a product of the environment than a particular person's individual genius, so the recurrance is all but guaranteed.

    The only way to destroy an idea is to fully discredit it.

    "That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned... and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil." – Haile Selassie I

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    "Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder" -- Arnold Toynbee.

    The death wish is strong among some, isn't it?
    And Toynbee is right.

    Britain was the most advanced nation in the world and now they're following the advice of third world religious fanatics, who at one time would have been dismissed as the backward lot they are. That is cultural suicide but they appear, apart from those who are leaving, determined to follow through with it.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If she gathered up all the Korans in the world and burned them and deleted every online version and computer document of a koran and deleted them then you might have a point.
    You might have a point somewhere as well, Jamesrage.

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