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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, if someone was familiar with the movie Lethal Weapon 2, then they would know that it was a bad word for blacks. The white South Africans in that movie used it a couple of times towards Murtaugh (Danny Glover's character).

    Now, I personally don't know what the original usage of the word was intended for in this thread, but it really isn't something to fight over. And perfectly reasonable for someone not to know that it has been used as a racist word before.
    Kafir is also a Muslim slur for non-Muslims.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    It's an idea. And the only way to destroy an idea is to destroy the people who believe in it. Burning books is the behavior of subhumans and degenerates, and whether it is "protected speech" or not, civilized society should at the very least view it with some distaste.
    Burning a book does not destroy people who believe in it. It would be like saying burning a stack of crappy romance novels is like destroying women who read that crap. Books are pieces of paper with words written on them and nothing more. To say they are something more is to elevate them to something they are not.
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Right. Europeans. Not "some other country," and certainly not the sort of place where they people stoned to death.

    Europeans are civilized, even if we disagree with their interpretation of freedom.

    As such, if we're going to tell them to STFU about our business, we should STFU about theirs.
    Arresting someone for hate speech is no different than arresting someone for blasphemy or at least a step below that.As civilized countries we should frown upon hate speech laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    It's an idea. And the only way to destroy an idea is to destroy the people who believe in it.
    One cannot honestly believe this. It's akin to believing that we can kill all of the terrorists (or Nazis or any other social plague).




    The only way to destroy an idea is to fully discredit it. You really can't argue this point.

    See? I just did it (the above quote/idea is destroyed), and no one had to die. Easy peasy.

    Stop pitching softballs. There was once a bunch of people who believed an idea - that the world was flat. Did we need to kill them all to destroy the idea? No. The idea was destroyed with just a bit of bloodshed by those who destroyed it (not those who defended it, who were in power).
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Burning a book does not destroy people who believe in it. It would be like saying burning a stack of crappy romance novels is like destroying women who read that crap. Books are pieces of paper with words written on them and nothing more. To say they are something more is to elevate them to something they are not.
    Do you really think there's no problem with a student burning a book in school? Heck it doesn't have to be the Koran or the Bible, it can be anything. Its the act of setting fire to an object while at school which is the undeniable fact.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post


    The US does not have hate speech laws.
    Muslims do their own policing as to what they consider 'hate speech" and that falls outside any country's national laws. Thus, in the US, the creators of South Park were forced to change their program and Mollie Norris was forced to go into hiding and assume another identity. We all remember the rioting, destruction and deaths from the Mohammed cartoons, and the reluctance of any major media to even publish them. We are becoming self censoring to the point where the laws on the subject are becoming redundant...

    One thing that was not mentioned is that this 15-year-old girl was putting her own life in danger in her attempt to burn the Koran. Her own safety from Muslim reaction must have been considered.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Burning a book does not destroy people who believe in it. It would be like saying burning a stack of crappy romance novels is like destroying women who read that crap. Books are pieces of paper with words written on them and nothing more. To say they are something more is to elevate them to something they are not.
    Burning books destroys the ideas within, for those who have not read them as well as for future generations.

    Books are ideas, and burning them, or censoring them, is an attempt to discourage those ideas. It is the powerful trying to control the less powerful.

    But such was not the case with this young girl in Britain.

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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Arresting someone for hate speech is no different than arresting someone for blasphemy or at least a step below that.As civilized countries we should frown upon hate speech laws.
    I don't think you understand US hate speech laws. In the US, hate speech is constituted by speech which calls directly for violence against a group. Preaching intolerance (witness: Westboro Baptist Church) is not outlawed. Outlawed is saying "kill them".

    Sure, in some European countries hate speech laws include being rude about a funny stereotype, or displaying a flag - but not in the US. One must call for actual harm against a group before we say "ok, your right is infringing on ours too much".


    It's not like arresting someone for blasphemy or a step above. In fact, it has nothing to do with ideology - so your blasphemy comparison is right out. It's exactly like arresting someone for calling for the killing/harming of a group.


    ps. In your "Location:", could you please put an 's' at the end of "exist", or is it some kind of quote and I'm just ig'nant.
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Too bad she wasn't simply advocating the killing and subjugation of people instead of indulging in symbolic protest. She would have been given free television time to promote her politically correct hatred instead of being arrested.

    Radical Muslims given Channel 4 slot - Telegraph
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    Re: Teen girl arrested for burning Koran

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't think you understand US hate speech laws. In the US, hate speech is constituted by speech which calls directly for violence against a group. Preaching intolerance (witness: Westboro Baptist Church) is not outlawed. Outlawed is saying "kill them".

    Sure, in some European countries hate speech laws include being rude about a funny stereotype, or displaying a flag - but not in the US. One must call for actual harm against a group before we say "ok, your right is infringing on ours to much".

    Any rules regarding hate speech regarding Muslims has been overridden by the United Nations. So this young girl not only broke the school's rules, she broke international law as defined by the UNHRC.
    Incredulous UN Bans Criticism of Islam | EuropeNews

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