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    US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Progress across the country remains uneven, with modest gains in security, governance, and development in operational priority areas. — U.S. Defense Department report on “Progress Toward Security and Stability in Afghanistan,” November 2010 (pdf)

    It is a sobering thought that we have now deployed American combat forces to Afghanistan for as long as the Soviets did. And, all we can say after a significant escalation this year is that progress across the country remains “uneven.”

    Excerpted from “US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog” By The Associated Press
    The Soviet Union couldn't win in Afghanistan, and now the United States is about to have something in common with that futile campaign: nine years, 50 days.

    On Friday, the U.S.-led coalition will have been fighting in this South Asian country for as long as the Soviets did in their humbling attempt to build up a socialist state. The two invasions had different goals — and dramatically different body counts — but whether they have significantly different outcomes remains to be seen. …
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Not even a “thank you” for locating the DoD latest Afghanistan status report. Rethinking my participation here.
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Not even a “thank you” for locating the DoD latest Afghanistan status report. Rethinking my participation here.
    You go out of your way to tell us how big of a failure our participation in Afghanistan is and you're feelings are hurt because no one powdered your butt in thanks?
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Yeah Chappy... war takes a while sometimes. It's not an add water and voila proposition. It took how many years and countries to bring fown the Germans/Axis? 33 countries and 7-years. Perhaps you like terrorists having free reign and a country to train in unimpeded?

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    Not even a “thank you” for locating the DoD latest Afghanistan status report. Rethinking my participation here.
    Thank you Chappy...


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    You go out of your way to tell us how big of a failure our participation in Afghanistan is and you're feelings are hurt because no one powdered your butt in thanks?
    He's a Lib from SF, what the hell do you expect? They piss in your face, tell us how nice it is and expect to be thanked for it.
    It's The Pelosi School.

    Reminds me of Gilda Radner in her Mommy Dearest skit (Jane Curtain/Radner) where Gilda the young daughter is forced to eat raw meat and say... "Thank you". Wish I could find a clip.


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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You go out of your way to tell us how big of a failure our participation in Afghanistan is and you're feelings are hurt because no one powdered your butt in thanks?
    Not only that, he only waited an hour before whining. Gee, a saturday morning on a holiday weekend, maybe not very many people even bothered to read this stupid thread?
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Progress will always be slow or nonexistent as long as politicians continue to start wars then do everything they can to keep our Military from winning with constant interference and the fear that in a war people get killed.

    Right now this war could have ended many years ago with a lot fewer over all civilian and American deaths had it been prosecuted just like WW-II was.

    There is no such thing as a politically correct approach to war that will do anything other than cost billions more then it needs to last longer than it should and get more people killed.

    It was true when we pulled out of Vietnam because Liberals couldn't handle it and it's happening now for that and the over whelming number of Firsters in the Liberal ranks, and number one on that list is now Obama.

    That is not to say President Bush was in the clear on this point, because he's not he allowed Political correctness and just being a weak willy get in the way of victory.

    Obama doesn't want to win, because it doesn't fit into his plans to destroy America.

    Now let the name calling begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Progress will always be slow or nonexistent as long as politicians continue to start wars then do everything they can to keep our Military from winning with constant interference and the fear that in a war people get killed.

    Right now this war could have ended many years ago with a lot fewer over all civilian and American deaths had it been prosecuted just like WW-II was.

    There is no such thing as a politically correct approach to war that will do anything other than cost billions more then it needs to last longer than it should and get more people killed.

    It was true when we pulled out of Vietnam because Liberals couldn't handle it and it's happening now for that and the over whelming number of Firsters in the Liberal ranks, and number one on that list is now Obama.

    That is not to say President Bush was in the clear on this point, because he's not he allowed Political correctness and just being a weak willy get in the way of victory.

    Obama doesn't want to win, because it doesn't fit into his plans to destroy America.

    Now let the name calling begin.
    In what way should the Afghanistan war been fought like WW2

    Fire bombing of cities? 1 million US soldiers?

    I keep hearing that the US should adopt WW2 tactics but without the specifics of what they actually mean by it
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    In what way should the Afghanistan war been fought like WW2

    Fire bombing of cities? 1 million US soldiers?

    I keep hearing that the US should adopt WW2 tactics but without the specifics of what they actually mean by it
    The Afghans were conquered by the Macedonians, the Mongols and the British in the Second Anglo-Afghan War. Anyone can be defeated. America is unprepared for the level of ruthlessness required to defeat Pashtuns. So America should come home. But don't think there is anything special about Pashtun military prowess, or the character of the Pashtun peoples.

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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The Afghans were conquered by the Macedonians, the Mongols and the British in the Second Anglo-Afghan War. Anyone can be defeated. America is unprepared for the level of ruthlessness required to defeat Pashtuns. So America should come home. But don't think there is anything special about Pashtun military prowess, or the character of the Pashtun peoples.
    Conquering is different then controlling. Afghanistan has been conquered many times, but generally it has been left to its own devices and ruled by a vassel. The running of it has generally been done by afghanis, one reason why Pastun culture survives to this day. Overall Afghanistan is not worth much to most empires certainly not enough to spend the amoung of resources not only to conquer, but control as well
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    Re: US presence in Afghanistan as long as Soviet slog

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not only that, he only waited an hour before whining. Gee, a saturday morning on a holiday weekend, maybe not very many people even bothered to read this stupid thread?
    Better be careful going after a fellow Libbos, like that.
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