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    NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun license

    NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decrease minimum age for concealed handgun license | khou.com | khou.com Texas News

    I agree with this suit-if someone is old enough to be drafted, executed or able to vote, he or she is old enough to buy a handgun or to carry one concealed (with the proper license)



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    I also think the same should apply to alcohol purchase. Good for this guy though filing the law suit.
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I also think the same should apply to alcohol purchase. Good for this guy though filing the law suit.
    agreed, I have friends who saw combat in various theaters and couldn't buy a beer when they came home on leave. They could operate a machine that costs 10 million dollars that could kill 10,000 people in a few minutes yet they couldn't get a bud lite



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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    agreed, I have friends who saw combat in various theaters and couldn't buy a beer when they came home on leave. They could operate a machine that costs 10 million dollars that could kill 10,000 people in a few minutes yet they couldn't get a bud lite
    That's wrong. Could they also buy a handgun though? I would find it extremely illogical to deny a serviceman/woman the right to own a handgun because of their age despite their training in firearms and combat.
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    That's wrong. Could they also buy a handgun though? I would find it extremely illogical to deny a serviceman/woman the right to own a handgun because of their age despite their training in firearms and combat.
    right now if you are under 21 you cannot

    1) buy a handgun under federal law
    2) buy handgun ammunition under federal law


    in some states you can possess a handgun at 18 but its illegal for someone to sell you one under federal law



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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    right now if you are under 21 you cannot

    1) buy a handgun under federal law
    2) buy handgun ammunition under federal law


    in some states you can possess a handgun at 18 but its illegal for someone to sell you one under federal law
    I think that's wrong. What is their reasoning behind keeping the age to own a handgun at 21?
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think that's wrong. What is their reasoning behind keeping the age to own a handgun at 21?
    Who knows-some claim (I have been involved in gun issues for over 30 years and have heard the excuses behind every gun law so many times they sort of run together) that so much crime was caused by those between 18-21 (often gangbangers) that was the reason. or that someone was mature enough to be the door gunner on a Cobra attack chopper but not mature enough to merely buy a 22 target pistol

    it makes no sense and is clearly going to flunk "strict scrutiny"



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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decrease minimum age for concealed handgun license | khou.com | khou.com Texas News

    I agree with this suit-if someone is old enough to be drafted, executed or able to vote, he or she is old enough to buy a handgun or to carry one concealed (with the proper license)
    Hopefully the SC will determine that age restriction laws against the 2nd amendment are illegal and strike them down. "Only applies to 21 and over" is not written in fine print in the second amendment, however "shall not be infringed" is written the same size of text the rest of the 2nd amendment is.
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Hopefully the SC will determine that age restriction laws against the 2nd amendment are illegal and strike them down. "Only applies to 21 and over" is not written in fine print in the second amendment, however "shall not be infringed" is written the same size of text the rest of the 2nd amendment is.
    I think they might find requirements over 18 to be unconstitutional, possibly, but I doubt they'd rule that all age restrictions are. One could probably make a "compelling government interest" argument against ten-year-olds buying handguns.

    edit: Compelling government interest is a lot harder for over-18. You'd have to show evidence that such a restriction would decrease handgun-related deaths and/or crimes, but the evidence across the board does not conclusively prove either way that handgun restrictions do any such thing.

    18 seems like the reasonable spot. Officially an adult and all.

    Re: booze, I sometimes wonder if we should try the German model where you can buy booze at 16 but can't drive until 18. Gives kids a couple years to learn how alcohol affects them before they start operating motor vehicles. Right now we have them learning to drive and learning to drink around the same time (because seriously, how many people actually wait until 21?)
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    If this person is an adult by legal standards in his state he should be entitled to all the protections and privileges of being a citizen of that state.

    Now having said that, allow me to tell you a little story. Nearly four decades ago my state lowered the drinking age from 21 to 18 largely based on the idea expressed by Turtle in his opening post that if you are old enough to fight for your country etc.
    At the time I was working in a hotel with three night clubs and working my way through college. When I worked the clubs, my job was to take cover charges at the door. I can tell you this much - when the drinking age was lowered the number of fights escalated through the roof. Where we used to have maybe one or two fights a week, now we went to three and four times that. A few times it erupted into all out brawls which we had never had before. Inevitably, it was the younger drinkers who were in the middle of these.

    This was not just happening at our place but all over the state. After a while the experiment ended and the drinking age was raised back up to 21. And the fights magically stopped or dropped back to the earlier levels.
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