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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    I think if your 18 you should be a full adult legally, things like buying alcohol, and guns, etc. No reason to call someone an adult, and not give them all the rights, and responsibilities that comes with it.

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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    he drinking age was lowered in about 30 states or so back in the late 60s and only lasted a few years because the number of fatalities from drunk driving went through the roof.

    It was lowered because of the voting age change and this failed with awful results, until it was ended and the age went back to 21. The draft was also a factor.

    In a military situation an 18 year old in under very tight supervision at all times and has been trained at length in the proper care and use of a weapon, and I agree there are some 18 year olds who have the maturity to qualify for a permit once they pass a test.

    However the logic that is being applied I fear will not hold up when one takes into account all the factors that are in need of consideration.

    The crime rate for the age in question, that are violent, the numbers of gang members in that age group, what will be the other criteria required.

    I don't agree the all citizens over 21 should be allowed to carry concealed weapons without some training and being tested and having a thorough back ground test, prior to being issued a permit.

    I have owned guns since I was 12 and know more than most about firearms of all types and I welcomed the class I was required to take before being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

    There are important laws that should be learned in advance of carrying a deadly weapon as to what circumstances permit it's use.

    Some people can deal with the awesome responsibility and other can't. It's like being a supervisor on the job, some do a great job and earn the respect of his subordinates while others who were great at being an hourly worker and even a pal can have the responsibility go to their head and they suck as a boss.

    We let 16 year olds drive cars and they can be deadly weapons but only a fool would suggest allowing them to drink beer or carry a concealed weapon.

    It sounds good and there might be some cases where they might be just fine, but on the whole I appose the idea, because studies show the brain does not reach maturity until age 25, and while you may have been an exception or at least think you were that facts remain.

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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    he drinking age was lowered in about 30 states or so back in the late 60s and only lasted a few years because the number of fatalities from drunk driving went through the roof.

    It was lowered because of the voting age change and this failed with awful results, until it was ended and the age went back to 21. The draft was also a factor.

    In a military situation an 18 year old in under very tight supervision at all times and has been trained at length in the proper care and use of a weapon, and I agree there are some 18 year olds who have the maturity to qualify for a permit once they pass a test.

    However the logic that is being applied I fear will not hold up when one takes into account all the factors that are in need of consideration.

    The crime rate for the age in question, that are violent, the numbers of gang members in that age group, what will be the other criteria required.

    I don't agree the all citizens over 21 should be allowed to carry concealed weapons without some training and being tested and having a thorough back ground test, prior to being issued a permit.

    I have owned guns since I was 12 and know more than most about firearms of all types and I welcomed the class I was required to take before being allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

    There are important laws that should be learned in advance of carrying a deadly weapon as to what circumstances permit it's use.

    Some people can deal with the awesome responsibility and other can't. It's like being a supervisor on the job, some do a great job and earn the respect of his subordinates while others who were great at being an hourly worker and even a pal can have the responsibility go to their head and they suck as a boss.

    We let 16 year olds drive cars and they can be deadly weapons but only a fool would suggest allowing them to drink beer or carry a concealed weapon.

    It sounds good and there might be some cases where they might be just fine, but on the whole I appose the idea, because studies show the brain does not reach maturity until age 25, and while you may have been an exception or at least think you were that facts remain.
    If someone is old enough to face capital punishment at 18 or to vote, there is no sound reason to treat them differently for buying a pistol. I doubt this law will survive the courts



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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    There should be one age of adulthood. Anything else means that 18-20 year olds are being denied privileges based on their age while having to accept all the responsibilities of adulthood. There is no responsibility of adulthood that starts after 18, so there shouldn't be any privileges/rights of adulthood that are denied either.

    If the government doesn't feel that 18 year olds are mature enough to drink or own guns, then they need to change the legal age of adulthood to 21. I don't agree with this change, but at least it would make the laws level and fair.
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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Who knows-some claim (I have been involved in gun issues for over 30 years and have heard the excuses behind every gun law so many times they sort of run together) that so much crime was caused by those between 18-21 (often gangbangers) that was the reason.
    I would love to hear someone try to explain with a straight face how a law limiting legal handgun purchases to people over 21 would keep a gangbanger from:

    1) buying a gun on the street, or
    2) having an older gangbanger buy a gun.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If someone is old enough to face capital punishment at 18 or to vote, there is no sound reason to treat them differently for buying a pistol. I doubt this law will survive the courts
    We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

    Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

    If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.

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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

    Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

    If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.
    Read RightingNYC post above. If a gangbanger wants a gun, he's getting a gun.

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    Re: NRA, Lubbock teen files lawsuit to decreas minimum age for concealed handgun lice

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    We'll see but I think it will because the simple logic which sounds good was used on the drinking age and public safety won out in the end, and there is no telling how many lives have been saved because of it.

    Can you imagine places like east L.A. if all those punks were allowed to buy and or carry guns.

    If 18 year old's are allowed to buy and have guns there will be a lot more killings than there are and it's already so bad that I won't even consider going to parts San Diego, or Los Angeles day or night packing or not, because it is flat out dangerous, and know that almost every major city that has places just as bad for your health.
    drinking isn't a fundamental constitutional right

    kids who would kill you for no reason or to protect drug turf already have handguns



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