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U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

Moot said:
...I think the Wikileaks may have helped bring Iran to the negotiating table with a much weaker hand. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the main reason for the leaks.
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Iran is the one offering to talk. Obama is the reluctant and reticent party because he has a weak bargaining hand.

The talks will go no where. Iran will not give up it's ability to complete the nuclear fuel cycle.
 
Moot said:
That cartoon is racist and it has nothing to do with GW.
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George was characterized as a monkey, but I know you know that.
Nevertheless, I agree, it is an awful cartoon for the reasons others have stated...plus, resorting to "****" is desperate material.
 
Moot said:
That cartoon is racist and it has nothing to do with GW.
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Who is to judge what is racist? Muslims call Jews monkeys and Pigs. Is that racist? Who shall sit in judgment? Don't leftists believe in relative morality?
 
youknowwho said:
well, the assassination comes one day after wikileaks releases the cables, and they're both working for Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. they're most likely informants who got spotted and killed by Iranian Intelligence Ministry. at least the style matches their previous assassinations.
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Or a more likely scenario is the scientists were killed by Israeli intelligence agency....

"...Meanwhile, someone has been sabotaging Iran's nuclear research program. Ahmadinejad acknowledged this week that a foreign software attack "made problems" at the main facility that is enriching uranium and making it potentially useful for the nuclear weapons Iran says it doesn't want. Assassins on motorcycles killed one prominent nuclear scientist on Monday and wounded another by slapping magnetic bombs onto their cars in Tehran. No government claimed responsibility, but Israeli newspapers reported that their country's intelligence agency has used that technique in the past."
WikiLeaks, Iran and the U.S.: What the documents don't show - latimes.com
 
Moot said:
Then you and Osama Bin Laden have much in common.
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That's an interesting conclusion. I assume you have reasons why you have arrived at that conclusion. Would you mind sharing your reasons with me please? Thanks.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
That's an interesting conclusion. I assume you have reasons why you have arrived at that conclusion. Would you mind sharing your reasons with me please? Thanks.
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LOL Surely you jest. You chose the name of a notorious American serial killer to hide your identity and no country wants you in their midst.
 
Moot said:
Then you and Osama Bin Laden have much in common.
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There is a very well educated fellow from New Mexico who has the ability to inspire people in various parts of the world. This young man's name is Imam Anwar Al Awlaki.

Not long ago he issued a fatwa against a political cartoonist from Seattle by the name of Molly Norris for threatening to draw cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon His Name. The fatwa called on all American Muslims to kill Molly Norris for blasphemy.

The FBI told her they couldn't protect her. So she killed her identity, changed careers and disappeared from the face of the earth in order to save her life from fellow Americans.

This is the New America. It isn't worth spit.
 
Moot said:
LOL Surely you jest. You chose the name of a notorious American serial killer to hide your identity and no country wants you in their midst.
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So what? This isn't about me. Focus on ideas.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
There is a very well educated fellow from New Mexico who has the ability to inspire people in various parts of the world. This young man's name is Imam Anwar Al Awlaki.

Not long ago he issued a fatwa against a political cartoonist from Seattle by the name of Molly Norris for threatening to draw cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, Peace Be Upon His Name. The fatwa called on all American Muslims to kill Molly Norris for blasphemy.

The FBI told her they couldn't protect her. So she killed her identity, changed careers and disappeared from the face of the earth in order to save her life from fellow Americans.

This is the New America. It isn't worth spit.
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This new America is very cynical and has more spit than brains. Free speech has consequences and always has. But then isn't the point of exercising free speech to get a reaction?


Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Iran is the one offering to talk. Obama is the reluctant and reticent party because he has a weak bargaining hand.

The talks will go no where. Iran will not give up it's ability to complete the nuclear fuel cycle.
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I don't think Iran will have much choice now that it knows all of it's neighbors, including Syria despise it's government and it is totally isolated and it's economy is failing. Iran's nuclear program was not as far along as the propaganda would have us believe and with the recent sabotage of its software and assassination of two of it's top scientists, it will be a long time before their nuclear weapons program is a real threat. Plenty of time for negotiations.....unless the American conservatives sabotage the treaty with Russia of course.
 
Moot said:
I don't think Iran will have much choice now that it knows all of it's neighbors, including Syria despise it's government and it is totally isolated and it's economy is failing. Iran's nuclear program was not as far along as the propaganda would have us believe and with the recent sabotage of its software and assassination of two of it's top scientists, it will be a long time before their nuclear weapons program is a real threat. Plenty of time for negotiations.....unless the American conservatives sabotage the treaty with Russia of course.
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Obama will have to pay a very high price to get a meaningless treaty with Russia. The US and Russia aren't going to attack each other. This is a silly treaty. If Obama wants it badly enough he will pay the high price of his desperation.

Russia and Iran don't threaten me or mine. So there's no reason to focus on them. America must avoid further foreign entanglements.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Who is to judge what is racist? Muslims call Jews monkeys and Pigs. Is that racist? Who shall sit in judgment? Don't leftists believe in relative morality?
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Yeah, but no one expects too much from Muslims.

Or leftists for that matter.

We naturally expect better from others.
 
Moot said:
That was an was extremely racist cartoon you posted. Why did you feel the need to post it?
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Pretty sure it was to suck someone into pointing out it is racist. And you went hook/line/sinker. ;)

In the UK they call it "taking the piss".
 
cAPSLOCK said:
Pretty sure it was to suck someone into pointing out it is racist. And you went hook/line/sinker. ;)

In the UK they call it "taking the piss".
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In the US we still call it "racist" and there was a time when racists used to keep their racism to themselves. But ever since Obama was elected the racists think that somehow gives them license to be openly racist. Obviously, they feel insecure with having a black president and so they have to insult his race cuz they're too stupid and backward to argue the "real" issues at hand.
 
Moot said:
In the US we still call it "racist" and there was a time when racists used to keep their racism to themselves. But ever since Obama was elected the racists think that somehow gives them license to be openly racist. Obviously, they feel insecure with having a black president and so they have to insult his race cuz they're too stupid and backward to argue the "real" issues at hand.
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Um dude, one thing I will say, is no one has EVER come out on this website and said the words "I hate Obama because he's black".
 
Jetboogieman said:
Um dude, one thing I will say, is no one has EVER come out on this website and said the words "I hate Obama because he's black".
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Really, then what do you call posting that cartoon? And um, see that little pink symbol under my avatar? That means I'm a dudette, not dude, dude.
 
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An additional means to denigrate his administration. His policies are at the heart of the matter.
 
Moot said:
In the US we still call it "racist" and there was a time when racists used to keep their racism to themselves. But ever since Obama was elected the racists think that somehow gives them license to be openly racist. Obviously, they feel insecure with having a black president and so they have to insult his race cuz they're too stupid and backward to argue the "real" issues at hand.
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And you continue to take the bait. See that was a copy of a cartoon about president Bush as many have tried to point out here.

To see it as anything other than equally offensive it the REAL racist reaction in my opinion.

But as I said originally I personally think it is a really bad, stupid, tasteless mean cartoon.

I also pointed out this takes us way off topic, as the actual point was double standards and race as opposed to anything Wikileaks related. But the OP continued to pretend it was on topic.

Bleah. It's not worth it really.
 
cAPSLOCK said:
And you continue to take the bait. See that was a copy of a cartoon about president Bush as many have tried to point out here.

To see it as anything other than equally offensive it the REAL racist reaction in my opinion.

But as I said originally I personally think it is a really bad, stupid, tasteless mean cartoon.

I also pointed out this takes us way off topic, as the actual point was double standards and race as opposed to anything Wikileaks related. But the OP continued to pretend it was on topic.

Bleah. It's not worth it really.
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And yet you continue to talk and comment about it. So who is taking the bait, now? Sorry, but I don't see the "equally offensive" for the simple reason the lampooning of GWBush wasn't based on his race. So why don't you just let the racists speak for themselves or do they need you to interpret their intentions for them?
 
Moot said:
That was an was extremely racist cartoon you posted. Why did you feel the need to post it?
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Nothing racist about it. It's a Bush cartoon with Obama's head on it. It's my favorite Bell cartoon because it's so re-usable in a variety ways.
Obama's made a **** of a mess of things. Fits perfectly, and it's nice to turn the tables.

I was ready to use it when Hillary was president, but she isn't.

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Moot said:
Scooter Libby showed the Bush administration couldn't keep it's affairs secret either. The Iraq War was a joke.
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As for Libby, he didn't leak anything. It was Armitage. Libby's incarceration was a pure horsehockey.
Patrick-Fits-Gerald knew it, yet continued on with his political witch hunt investigation. And what did Libby get nailed for? A failing memory... the same failing memory exhibited by Tim Russert.

Armitage admits leaking Plame's identity
PATRICK FITZGERALD
September 08, 2006
Armitage admits leaking Plame's identity - CNN
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Here... have a read...
HILLYER: Scooter Libby, on the record
'Fair Game' provides chance to re-examine perjury case
HILLYER: Scooter Libby, on the record - Washington Times
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Moot said:
I think the Wikileaks may have helped bring Iran to the negotiating table with a much weaker hand. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the main reason for the leaks. The rest of it just fodder for the National Enquirer.
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:doh:doh:doh:doh:doh
This is wacko. As wacko as Miss Amerika Barack Obama's response to meeting our enemies without preconditions.
Remember Miss America Barack Obama? He said he would speak with Iran without preconditions. What stopped Miss Amerika?
A questioner asked in a July 23, 2007, Democratic debate if the candidates would be "willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"

"I would," Obama said. "
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Here she comes (music notes icon)... Miss Amerika...

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Fiddytree said:
An additional means to denigrate his administration. His policies are at the heart of the matter.
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And that cartoon is masterful at pointing out the ****ty job he's doing. It cuts to the heart of the matter like no other Bell cartoon. Or Ramirez cartoon; my two favorite cartoonists. One a lefty, the other a righty... think of that! I howled when I saw A Role for the UN the first time, even if it did skewer Bush.

And the bonus is it's re-usable like no other.

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