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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well, I don't blame Turkey for pulling away from the Western Axis and moving East if all these allegations are true
    That the US has been supporting PJAK is in my opinion 95% likely. As PJAK and the PKK are rather the same organization ( Much like Ford US and Ford Europe) it would have also been supporting the PKK. Perhaps not intentionally wanting the PKK to use US support to attack Turkey, the end result would have been the US supporting terrorist groups Turkey directly. Indirectly by harbouring them in Iraq when the US did control Iraq and choose not to act against the PKK despite it being classed as a terrorist org
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    Re: U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Realistically Turkey knows this already
    Assuming this is true, this is my point. Whereas before this would have been handled by intelligent diplomats, it would now be fodder for militants and extremists to push their government toward a more hardline stance. That would cause a deterioration in our relations and would lead to more strife in the region.

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    Re: U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No but I want to know when my soldiers are ****ing up and it is hidden and alot HAS been hidden from the public which should have been released such as the fact a British Rifleman shooting dead an 8 year old Iraqi Girl for playing in the street. Oh I'm so sure she was such a security threat. Only after it was made public did the British Military launch an investigation. Bastard soldier probably would have got off scot free

    Wikileaks is something I will support
    Well, you may want to know, but you actually don't need to know about every mishap and mistake made by every soldier, even if it resulted in an unwarranted death.
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    Re: U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

    Oh man, if this release includes Saudi/Muslim diplomats ... can't wait to see how they are behind closed door. Perhaps if we are lucky, they will get it bad and be disgraced
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, you may want to know, but you actually don't need to know about every mishap and mistake made by every soldier, even if it resulted in an unwarranted death.
    Well I'm not going to condemn wikileaks for releasing it either.

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Assuming this is true, this is my point. Whereas before this would have been handled by intelligent diplomats, it would now be fodder for militants and extremists to push their government toward a more hardline stance. That would cause a deterioration in our relations and would lead to more strife in the region.

    Laila/Orion/Kal stang - does that sound like a good thing to you?
    The Muslim world will always be in strife. The extremists don't exactly need this data to tarnish the US and UK
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The Muslim world will always be in strife. The extremists don't exactly need this data to tarnish the US and UK
    That's not the question. I'm asking whether you'll still think this disclosure is a good thing if it leads to destabilization in turkey (or other ME nations) where more hard-liners take control.
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    Re: U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Assuming this is true, this is my point. Whereas before this would have been handled by intelligent diplomats, it would now be fodder for militants and extremists to push their government toward a more hardline stance. That would cause a deterioration in our relations and would lead to more strife in the region.

    Laila/Orion/Kal stang - does that sound like a good thing to you?
    The militants and extremists will already know this as well, I expect most turks to be aware of it


    The main effect would be to damage the US public image of those that care to look at the Wikileaks documents or reports in the US or Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That's not the question. I'm asking whether you'll still think this disclosure is a good thing if it leads to destabilization in turkey (or other ME nations) where more hard-liners take control.
    If it leads to it, no.

    Turkey is gradually becoming more hard lined for many reasons, the population are becoming, thank god more practising Muslims and the side effect is Conservatism. Wouldn't surprise me if religion takes a hold in Turkey over secularism


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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Well I'm not going to condemn wikileaks for releasing it either.
    Well, when you can show an army which has ever conducted significant operations without mishaps or any large organizations which don't have anyone who does something wrong, I might buy that Wikileaks is doing something other than simply delivering fodder for people who delight in bashing. Oh, and gossip.
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    Re: U.S. nervously awaits next WikiLeaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The militants and extremists will already know this as well, I expect most turks to be aware of it


    The main effect would be to damage the US public image of those that care to look at the Wikileaks documents or reports in the US or Europe.
    There's a difference in impact between "The US is doing bad things! I'm telling you so you know it must be true!" and "The US is doing bad things! Here are the most inflammatory quotes directly from their documents, hand-picked by Der Spiegel, the Guardian and the NY Times!"
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